no i didn't claim it. your brother gene did.

Hey Tiddler - keep it up. I'm glad someone here is willing to twist some tails.

And expose the fallacies of some of the pompous fools on this website.

See, you really cant read a thread. You stated it was a lie that Saddam had WMDs, not that it was misinformation. Paladin challenged you to prove it. You have not, now you are trying to say he asked for nothing, and he has to prove his request to you?

Yes, you are a great debater, In the mode of all other fools that think their words must be accepted as god's gospel with no proof.

But this is not your site. So if you really want to earn any respect, prove your assertion. That is what Paladin asked for, and you have yet to do. So dodge and weave and let the slobbering sycophants snuggle up to you. You have proven nothing, except you cant follow a thread, or back up anything you state as a fact.

You might try it, because all tidler is doing is dodging and evading. Or is that what liberals call debate now?

he has a direct challenge he has so far failed to even acknowledge.



Would you care to take up Tidler's dropped challenge? Or are you also a fan of debating by avoiding?

No Dr Troll he didn't. Paladin challenged me to make a claim he couldn't disprove.
Quite a different thing.

Hey thanks for the moral support. I only wish it were more of a challenge.

Because clearly some have conveniently forgotten what this "challenge" was.

he is a coward. afraid to stand up to a real challenge. he has to make things up knowing the real stuff he mouths is wrong.

This is an easy one. Thanks!
Mr. Bush went to war for the reasons stated in his address to the nation. At no time did the President nor his administration state that we were in imminent danger. On the other hand I believe Senator Kennedy stated that Iraq was an imminent threat. When the press reacted to this statement or misstatement by the Senator they asked the President directly if Iraq posed an imminent threat to the United States. The president replied that no, Iraq did not pose an imminent threat but a threat on the horizon.

Next the WMD issue itself.
At the end of the gulf war an agreement was signed by the leaders of Iraq and the United Nations. The agreement included an accounting of all Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. This was done, Iraq provided a list of supposedly all WMD stockpiles within their borders. UN inspectors went in to verify the list. This was mostly done and then the Iraqi leader changed his mind and began moving things around. The short story is that there were large amounts of various WMD missing or as the administration put it unaccounted for. At about the same time the leader of Iraq started making noise about supporting terrorist in Israel, then 9/11 happened. The leader of Iraq made some really bad moves while the rest of the terrorist states were giving us any and all information to show they had no part in 9/11 and please Mr. Bush don’t mess with us. The leader of Iraq gave aid and comfort to our enemy. Another thing that our President said would be bad. With the concern of the leader of Iraq making good on his publicly stated promise of selling or even giving his WMD to terrorist who promise to attack Israel or the United States. AQ had demonstrated the ability to directly attack the US three times and the possession of WMD would be real bad for Americans. Our only logical choice was to get rid of the leader and control the missing WMD. What happened to the stockpiles of WMD that the leader of Iraq said he had and was verified by the UN inspectors? We don’t know. Just because we have not found them in Iraq does not mean that they did not exist because the UN verified their existence as well as our own inspectors. Did that take care of your misconception of imminent danger and WMD that was not there when we got there? I had to do this on the fly from memory. I only have 20 minutes a night on line for the next few days so if I was unclear then I let me know and I will make corrections as we go.

Be nice. He was asked and he answered I replied we will see what happens as we go.

I have to agree with TW on the other article, you are funny. You should change your name to Twister. Fearless, no; wannabe fearless, yes. But hey, it's just an opinion from one who doesn't lose his cool and start name calling as my first post.



So you agree? Well, at least you are "man"(?) enough to admit it.



Oh trust me, don't take it personal. I don't usually pick on specific people (besides Col gene) because it's personal. I just like to make sure those who are acting the fool are aware that they are acting the fool. As you can see SanChonino's pat in the back shows how they beg for someone to actually find something liberally legitimate to say since their arguments don't hold much around here. I mean, really, how can anyone prove anything with feeling? Last I checked it took a diamond ring to get the average woman to believe a man loved her. All those "I love you" feeling never had a leg to stand on till the dozen roses, box of chocolates and that Kay Jewelers box came thru the door first.

Oh and I shouldn't be calling people blind when you can't even read what the posts on this and other articles say. Keep in mind that the only reason you are gonna get pats in the backs by suckers like SanChonino is because you are simply "twisting some tails" but not really putting a foot forward for the Liberal crybabies of this site.



LOL, name calling. You really are funny. I mean, I don't normally like to laugh at dumb people, but in your case I can make an exception. Maybe if you can point out where I clearly called you anything. If anything I passed the chance to you to name yourself. That is clearly not name calling. But you're one to talk since the first thing you offer ShadowWar as an argument is an insult by stating he lacks a specific degree as if that somehow makes him stupid. But I guess since you didn't call him stupid directly just like I called you no names directly I guess no one here is name calling at all, or are we, buddy?

Oh and so Tiddler doesn't get his panties in a knot, here's my "opinion" about the subject. Terrorist, insurgents, freedom fighters; call them what you want. Our soldiers are fighting to bring order from a chaos that was created by not flexing our muscles when we should have. We failed to accomplsih our ammended goal in Iraq because we chose to be kind and careful instead of being swift and to the point. Thousands of innocent people have died at the hands of the enemy and for what? We are still blamed for their deaths. The way I see it we should have just blacketed those towns once the Iraqi army under Saddam gave up and these insurgents/terrorist,freedom fighters began to emerge. We would have probably had the same amount of dead civilians but most likely with less problems than we have today.

Call me a monster, a war monger or even a infidel for all I care. Those soldiers are there to do a job and it's sad to see that only their deaths are being reported in detail with videos and images while their work, progress and successes are kept in the dark just to maintain an agenda to destroy anything that is Bush. If I were a soldier, I would be embarrassed to come back to this country, I would be sad to know I risked or gave my life for a bunch of ingrates.

Wanna-be fearless now is it?



Man enough? How old are you Charles?



This would be an example of what I referred to as your carry over hatred Charles.Quite a rant isn’t it.

Let see you’ve bagged Col Gene, San Chonino, liberals as cry babies and mentioned something about you being too impoverished to get laid. If this is not carry over hatred Charles I dunno what is.



O.k so you’re not calling me names your just calling me a dumb, wanna-be-fearless liberal crybaby. Thanks for the clarification.



Sure.





And given subsequent posts from you Charles I think most reasonable people would agree that

[quote]I guess DrGuy was right when he said you contradict yourself a lot. Have you been hanging around the real resident troll of this site? Col gene. If not I can introduce you two and you guys can form a duo. You can be the Duo Ben-gay, but it will be upt to you 2 to decide who will be Ben. [quote]

could be considered name-calling but if not by all means free feel to put it into the other category of “assorted nonsense” that I suggested.



No what I said was:



The possession or not of marketing skills hardly determines ones basic intelligence and says nothing about their ability in other areas. It simply means the individual concerned probably is not a marketing expert.

It is only you who makes such a very desperate connection between the lack of a specific skill and stupidity. Given that we’re some 50 odd posts down the line and Shadow War hasn’t mentioned it I’d suggest he took it for what it was: a light hearted comment made in jest.

You’ll also note this was two lines a 14 line reply that was very much on topic as opposed to your snide interjection which was 5 lines about me, Col Gene and Dr Guy that completely ignored the subject of the article.



At this point Charles Im calling you a troll just like Dr Guy.

LOL, hatred? I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. I don't hate you, or anyone on this site for that matter. I get a kick out of annoying people like you, but I don't hate. It's not my fault you like to bust into articles making accusation of lack of inteligence while not providing a single piece of evidence to back up you opinions all while avoiding direct challenges.



Well, SanChonino is usually pretty cool even if we don't always agree. But he stuck his neck out and became a target as well. Not my fault. Col is a special case, he likes getting slammed on a daily basis. Otyherwise there is no reason for a guy like him to hang around here. And if you think talking about my sex life will get you points for comedy, you might wanna try harder because if anything you lose points. At that last line is the point of all of this, you don't know what is anything.



Again, you show your stupidity and lack of ability to read and follow an argument. I will baby step you so you can get it. You said I was name calling way before I said any of those words (which I wasn't) but I figured since I was to be labeled something I wasn't anyways I may as well take the part.



Ah, typical Liberal tactic of acting as if they have been deemed speaker of all people. You know, this is a common tatctic used by Loca and Col gene, always passing themselves as the voice of the majority as if they were giving this power to know what the majority thinks. Nice try though. However, once again, you failed at making a point or fact since, as usual, people like you depend on emotion to win any situation. In this case "could be considered" is not proof or fact by simply a subjactive opinion. But I'll take your advise and put it into the "assorted nonsense" category. After all it takes one who uses a lot of "assorted nonsense" to recognize it when he sees it.



OK then, I guess I will use your own words against you with a small change. I think most reasonable people would agree that



could be considered "insulting".



LOL, what ever dude. Just keep grasping for something to cry about since it seems to be what you are good at. And keep in mind that poeple like ShadowWar don't usually bother with insults from people like you. He already expects it. I just personally don't mind picking it up for him, its fun to see you try so hard to insult na prove points and come across as a hero to some here. Its simply entertaining.



You're one to claim otehrs to be interjecting with non topic replies. Just keep trying my friend. It makes it all the more enetertaining.



Is that suppose to hold some kind of tag on this site that I am forever a troll because you think it? LOL, so far you have been playing with some minor players here. But in time you will find yourself taking bits at the bigger bashers here and you will most likely find yourself at the end of the whip (pun intended). Have fun trolling around my friend.

I love how opposing viewpoints are almost always considered trolling. And how people can always consider others' posts as trolling, but fail to see the trolling in their own.

Very, very cute guys. At least I admit it when I'm being a troll.