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This is my personal view and comments on the issues and events that I feel a need to talk about or express my view. You don't have to agree, but lets carry on a adult, discussion and maybe you will see it the right way, mine. ;)
Someone justify this to me please..
I can't wrap my semi-rational thoughts around ths..
Published on July 14, 2005 By
ShadowWar
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - The attack, in a poor, predominantly Shiite neighborhood of eastern Baghdad, left a wrenching scene of bloodshed, anger and despair Wednesday.
Children's colored slippers, pieces of flesh and shrapnel were strewed around a wide crater in the street. Women wailed and slapped themselves on the chest and face in a ritual of grief as bodies were placed in crude coffins and carried away.
A suicide bomber had steered his vehicle toward a group of children who had crowded around a patrol of U.S. troops and detonated his payload, killing at least 27 people, nearly all of them children, government and hospital officials said. One U.S. soldier was killed.
Several residents said the Americans had been handing out candy when the attack took place. ``They were delivering some sweets and toys to the children, and all of a sudden a car drove toward the U.S. military vehicles and exploded,'' said Basim al-Gaiedi, 45, an engineer who lives in the neighborhood.
But Lt. Col. Clifford Kent, the public-affairs officer for the 3rd Infantry Division, which is responsible for overall security in Baghdad, denied that the soldiers had been distributing candy and toys. He would not disclose the nature of the unit's mission Wednesday.
Residents said U.S. soldiers had passed through the neighborhood earlier in the day issuing warnings through a loudspeaker that the area might be a target of a car bomb.
Kent disputed the residents' accounts and said the military had no knowledge of a planned car bomb attack. ``To say that in that neighborhood, at that time, on this day there was going to be this kind of attack, it's very rare to have pinpoint intelligence like that,'' he said.
The attack caused the highest death toll among children since a similar incident in September when a pair of car bombs killed at least 34 children who were waiting to receive handfuls of candy from U.S. soldiers at the inauguration of a sewage plant in western Baghdad.
Convoys of U.S. soldiers regularly patrol Baghdad's neighborhoods, sometimes as displays of force though also to conduct house searches and arrests. They frequently pause to give sweets and gifts to children as a goodwill gesture.
A representative of the 3rd Infantry Division, Master Sgt. Greg Kaufman, said there was no official policy regarding large crowds of people around patrol vehicles. Asked why the military would allow such gatherings, particularly given the lack of security in Baghdad and the repeated suicide attacks, Kaufman said, ``I really do not have an answer to that one.'' Higher-ranking military officials in Baghdad were not available late Wednesday for comment.
While the Interior Ministry put the death toll at 25, all children, the officer who patrolled the morgue at Kindi Hospital, where most of the dead were taken, had a list of 39 names in his hand, Knight Ridder reported. Some were teenagers, some were as young as 6, he said. Families had claimed the bodies of 25 children; 14 were unrecognizable.
Residents in the neighborhood, called Baghdad al-Jedida, said the death toll could rise. One witness said the blast had destroyed part of a house, killing a family that was eating breakfast in the yard. Another witness said four laborers resting on the side of the road were also killed.
``The car bomber made a deliberate decision to attack one of our vehicles as the soldiers were engaged in a peaceful operation with Iraqi citizens,'' said Maj. Russ Goemaere, a U.S. military official in Baghdad. ``The terrorist undoubtedly saw the children around the Humvee as he attacked.''
The attack came on another day of violence across Iraq and mounting accusations of sectarian attacks.
Can someone please explain to me how these people can be called "insurgents" or anything less than animals and terrorist. I fail to see how blowing up 27 children will make your faction get any support. What rational person can not now see these are not people in the common sense but animals, and animals must be put down lke animals. I volunteer to be the one to pull the trigger on them and could do so without any hesitation. People who do what these terrorist are doing are the lowest form of life and that form of life needs to be exterminated. Period.
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on Jul 21, 2005
What I think bothers me the most is we are playing a blaming game here. One side points at the other and says, you caused this, or you are not doing this or that right. The other side points back and says, no we are doing this and this and this. Then the pointing goes on and on.
What about the base concept here. There is a group (how large is open to debate, it depends on your sources and who you trust) that wants to kill non-Muslims/Westerners. The U.S. is not the only target, so we need to start looking at this as a global problem if you have not already. This group is spread out in every country, including the US and they are trying to do harm to you, me, your children and mine and your friends and neighbors. They are trying to harm our way of life and what we have come to enjoy as our freedoms and pastimes. They are doing it by trying to scare you into fighting each other and it seems to be working. While we bicker with each other they plan the next attack that will make us fight them, and each other even more. Is anyone to blame for the attacks of 9/11? Sure, the terrorist that attacked us. Did we deserve it? Does anyone deserve to be attacked and killed because you are at work in a building that happens to be in a large city in the US? Did the US as a whole deserve it? In my opinion of course not. If you don't like something someone is doing the first thing you do is try to talk it out. Then you try to go through the legal way of changing what you perceive as a wrong. And if you win great, if not, you suck it up and drive on. You don't put a bomb under their car and kill them over it. But that all changes when that someone places a bomb under your car and blows up your family. That turns the game into one of life and death. And because these people are not subject to our law but they are subject to our power as a nation, both economically and militarily.
What do you think we should do? Sit back and let them attack us? Should we not retaliate? Should we bomb them into the afterlife? What do you think is appropriate response to these acts we have had perpetrated on us? My opinion again is to project our military to kill/stop the threat. That way it ceases to be a threat. I also think we should do a better job of securing our country. I lock my doors at night to keep bad people out, but should one break in, I will kill them. Pretty simple. I am protecting my family and my home. The same way our military is protecting our country.
If we are attacked with nuclear weapons by the terrorist, I would respond in kind. What I would bomb? I don't know that right now, I have to think on it. I would bomb those things important to them. I might start with a known gathering place of the terrorist and their loved ones and work my way to their important places. We dropped bombs on Japan, on civilian centers, to stop WW2. And it worked. Maybe, just maybe that would be the outcome here. Bomb us with Nukes, and we will kill your brethren and fellow terrorist, make it cost more than they are willing to pay. Are we willing to kill them just as they are willing to kill us? I am. I don't know but the time is coming when these questions may have to be answered, and when it happens, God help all of us.
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on Jul 21, 2005
and they dont give a damn how many Iraqis they kill in the process. (which has been lots, far more than americans.)
I remember hearing the total iraqi's dead so far is between 110-200 thousand...(not exact...)
#2 by mythgarr
Thursday, July 14, 2005
don't forget to duck....
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