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Published on January 19, 2006 By ShadowWar In Current Events

 NOTE** I have edited the original post to reflect the new information found here in this post. I finally found an unedited version of the full text at : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628932.stm

And may I say there is a lot more to this than was reported in most of the press. Here is the full transcript, very interesting:

My message to you is about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the way to end it.

I had not intended to speak to you about this issue, because, for us, this issue is already decided on: diamonds cut diamonds.

Praise be to God, our conditions are always improving and becoming better, while your conditions are to the contrary of this.

However, what prompted me to speak are the repeated fallacies of your President Bush in his comment on the outcome of the US opinion polls, which indicated that the overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of the forces from Iraq, but he objected to this desire and said that the withdrawal of troops would send a wrong message to the enemy.

Bush said: It is better to fight them on their ground than they fighting us on our ground.

In my response to these fallacies, I say: The war in Iraq is raging, and the operations in Afghanistan are on the rise in our favour, praise be to God.

The Pentagon figures indicate the rise in the number of your dead and wounded, let alone the huge material losses, and let alone the collapse of the morale of the soldiers there and the increase in the suicide cases among them.

So, just imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts the soldier while collecting the remnants of his comrades' dead bodies after they hit mines, which torn them. Following such situation, the soldier becomes between two fires. If he refuses to go out of his military barracks for patrols, he will face the penalties of the Vietnam butcher, and if he goes out, he will face the danger of mines.

So, he is between two bitter situations, something which puts him under psychological pressure - fear, humiliation, and coercion. Moreover, his people are careless about him. So, he has no choice but to commit suicide.

What you hear about him and his suicide is a strong message to you, which he wrote with his blood and soul while pain and bitterness eat him up so that you would save what you can save from this hell. However, the solution is in your hand if you care about them. (See comment below Point #1)

The news of our brother mujahideen, however, is different from what is published by the Pentagon.

This news indicates that what is carried by the news media does not exceed what is actually taking place on the ground. What increases doubts on the information of the White House's administration is its targeting of the news media, which carry some facts about the real situation.

Documents have recently showed that the butcher of freedom in the world [US President Bush] had planned to bomb the head office of al-Jazeera Space Channel in the state of Qatar after he bombed its offices in Kabul and Baghdad, although despite its defects, it is [Al-Jazeera] one of your creations.

Jihad is continuing, praise be to God, despite all the repressive measures the US army and its agents take to the point where there is no significant difference between these crimes and those of Saddam.

These crimes include the raping of women and taking them hostage instead of their husbands. There is no power but in God.

The torturing of men has reached the point of using chemical acids and electric drills in their joints. If they become desperate with them, they put the drill on their heads until death. (See comment below point #2)

If you like, read the humanitarian reports on the atrocities and crimes in the prisons of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

I say that despite all the barbaric methods, they have failed to ease resistance, and the number of mujahideen, praise be to God, is increasing.

In fact, reports indicate that the defeat and devastating failure of the ill-omened plan of the four - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz - and the announcement of this defeat and working it out, is only a matter of time, which is to some extent linked to the awareness of the American people of the magnitude of this tragedy.

The wise ones know that Bush has no plan to achieve his alleged victory in Iraq.

If you compare the small number of the dead when Bush made that false and stupid show-like announcement from an aircraft carrier on the end of the major operations, to many times as much as this number of the killed and injured, who fell in the minor operations, you will know the truth in what I am saying, and that Bush and his administration do not have neither the desire nor the will to withdraw from Iraq for their own dubious reasons.

To go back to where I started, I say that the results of the poll satisfy sane people and that Bush's objection to them is false.

Reality testifies that the war against America and its allies has not remained confined to Iraq, as he claims.

In fact, Iraq has become a point of attraction and recruitment of qualified resources. (See comment below #3)

On the other hand, the mujahideen, praise be to God, have managed to breach all the security measures adopted by the unjust nations of the coalition time and again.

The evidence of this is the bombings you have seen in the capitals of the most important European countries of this aggressive coalition.

As for the delay in carrying out similar operations in America, this was not due to failure to breach your security measures.

Operations are under preparation, and you will see them on your own ground once they are finished, God willing.

Based on the above, we see that Bush's argument is false. However, the argument that he avoided, which is the substance of the results of opinion polls on withdrawing the troops, is that it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land and for them not to fight us on our land.

We do not object to a long-term truce with you on the basis of fair conditions that we respect.

We are a nation, for which God has disallowed treachery and lying.

In this truce, both parties will enjoy security and stability and we will build Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by the war. (See Comment below #4)

There is no defect in this solution other than preventing the flow of hundreds of billions to the influential people and war merchants in America, who supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars.

Hence, we can understand the insistence of Bush and his gang to continue the war.

If you have a genuine will to achieve security and peace, we have already answered you.

If Bush declines but to continue lying and practicing injustice [against us], it is useful for you to read the book of "The Rogue State", the introduction of which reads: If I were a president, I would halt the operations against the United States.

First, I will extend my apologies to the widows, orphans, and the persons who were tortured. Afterwards, I will announce that the US interference in the world's countries has ended for ever.

Finally, I would like to tell you that the war is for you or for us to win. If we win it, it means your defeat and disgrace forever as the wind blows in this direction with God's help.

If you win it, you should read the history. We are a nation that does not tolerate injustice and seek revenge forever.

Days and nights will not go by until we take revenge as we did on 11 September, God willing, and until your minds are exhausted and your lives become miserable and things turn [for the worse], which you detest. (See Comment below #5)

As for us, we do not have anything to lose. The swimmer in the sea does not fear rain. You have occupied our land, defiled our honour, violated our dignity, shed our blood, ransacked our money, demolished our houses, rendered us homeless, and tampered with our security. We will treat you in the same way.

You tried to deny us the decent life, but you cannot deny us a decent death. Refraining from performing jihad, which is sanctioned by our religion, is an appalling sin. The best way of death for us is under the shadows of swords.

Do not be deluded by your power and modern weapons. Although they win some battles, they lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are better than them. What is important is the outcome.

We have been tolerant for 10 years in fighting the Soviet Union with our few weapons and we managed to drain their economy.

They became history, with God's help.

You should learn lessons from that. We will remain patient in fighting you, God willing, until the one whose time has come dies first. We will not escape the fight as long as we hold our weapons in our hands.

I swear not to die but a free man even if I taste the bitterness of death. I fear to be humiliated or betrayed.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.

 

OK now that I have seen the whole thing finally I can say to answer him "Not no, but HELL no." (my quote)

Comment#1 - He talks about our soldiers? As if he knows the quality and fortitude of our soldiers? He knows NOTHING about our men and women in uniform. They are and will continue to be the finest fighting force in the world. They volunteer for the job and go forth and carry out the mission asigned to them with the best effort they can. As the Warrior Ethos states and we follow in the military: "I will always place the mission first, I will never accept defeat, I will never quit, I will never leave a falen comrade." He attempts to belittle the soldiers and that alone galls the hell out of me.

Comment #2 - Here he accuses the "the US army and its agents" of "These crimes include the raping of women and taking them hostage instead of their husbands. ... The torturing of men has reached the point of using chemical acids and electric drills in their joints. If they become desperate with them, they put the drill on their heads until death." What? Again he talks of our men and women in uniform doing these things? I say to him, we do not stoop to your level. Your "agents" have cut the heads off of helpless men, while they were still alive and then proudly showed it to the whole world! And you accuse us of torture? His "agents" kidnapped and killed women, dragged bodies through the streets and did other acts or barbarians and he talks of our military in such a fashion? I say in answer to this - KISS MY A**!!! Show your head out of your hole if your still alive and fight us like a man, not a rat in a hole afraid of a great eagle that would swoop down and snatch your butt for lunch.

Comment #3 - This statement CONFIRMS the point that Iraq is drawing the terrorist there and away from other points. That has been stated over and over again and only confirms this point the Generals on the ground have been saying.

Comment #4 - The offer of a truce is a farce, as he says that he also says operations are underway to attack America again. And he has no power to enforce this so called truce. If he wanted us to leave Iraq all he had to do was tell the terrorist to stop the attacks, things would quiet down and we would leave. What is so hard to understand about that? Truce< an enemy only offers a truce when they are on the ropes and can not win.

Commnet #5 - Again he threatens us. He ask for a truce in one breath and then tells us he is going to attack us in the other. Well got an answer for you Osama, NO!

After now being able to read the whole thing unedited and in its full length, I say he is weakened, his ability to do the things he says is not there. He has no power to cause or offer a truce. He does confirm that a few things we are doing is working, such as the drawing of the terrorist to Iraq. I think after reading it I have decided to tell Osama to go screw himself. We ARE winning, You are still in a cave hiding, and you will eventually be captured or killed and all the world will see just how powerless you really are becoming. You threaten to attack us here on American soil again, OK, bring it on, and see what happens when you really piss us off.



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on Jan 20, 2006
>Do you not watch the news at all?

NO.
Thats an emphatic NO.
Which is how I am able to reason and not just swallow the nonsense fed to me on CNN,FOX,MSNBC
It was a family decision ... we resolved 3 years ago to dump the TV ... COMPLETELY.

THe only time we watch it is at the laundromat or child doc's office.

>The tape is NOT a fake and it has already been examined by experts who have categorically
>said that it IS bin laden.

Go re-read my statements.
I stated that it is NOT FROM BIN LADEN. IT WAS NOT UTTERED FROM HIS MOUTH.

Look ... do some research into what we can do with digital to analog converters. Samples
already exist of his voice saying various things ... those are digitized and can be
"manipulated" to say anything someone wants him to say.

Or it could be a voice copy cat ...

All I am saying is USE YOUR HEAD before you swallow the nonsense.

>So I take that now you know more than the experts?

so called "experts" that told us he had WMD, chemical weapons stocks and mobile labs?
so called "experts" that claimed he had ties to a fictitious Al Queda?

Sorry buddy
fool me once ...

>Take a hike. And just an fyi....it's not just the CIA who says it him

Will you USE YOUR HEAD FOR GOODNESS SAKES ...
At the time he was alegded to have authored 911 ... he was on a blasted dialysis machine ...
this is information from his personal physician and family members ...
does Al Queda provide an HMO?
hes also well on in years and walks with a cane ... can you fathom being on the run in that
health state?

Sorry ... i prefer to USE MY HEAD, turn off the T.V and it will all become clear.

>Even more baloney! We were not "pursuing" Osama. We were "pursuing" the number 2 man whom is
>"still" very much alive! Please do try to get your facts straight!

Think about it for a second.
How many times have we killed the #2 #3 #4 #5.
Everyone we kill is a #3 #4 a #5.

Its like 100 times already ... !!!!
how many times can you kill a #3 #2 #4 #5 ... give me a fricking break.

Man you are one STUPID IDIOT
on Jan 20, 2006
>so called "experts" that told us he had WMD, chemical weapons stocks and mobile labs?
>so called "experts" that claimed he had ties to a fictitious Al Queda

by he I am of course referring to Mr Hussein ... my point stands
on Jan 20, 2006

Rombios, While I detest direct attacks on other users (your comment to Doc), may I say that unless you have first hand knowledge this is a fake, placing the life of a loved as a bet is just plain silly. The only way you or anyone else can say for sure who this is, is to take the statements of others. Regardless of who. The tape was delivered to Al-Jezzera and they state its him, other countries intel groups say its him, and of course as you say ours say its him. Without going into your conspiracy ideas, to what purpose does it serve our Government to have made and then distributed this tape through the methods they did? Would it not hae made more sense and a better political statement to say we intercepted it in transit by capturing someone? And the transcript does not help Bush at all so wheres the benefit? It just doesn't make sense.

No one can say for 100% that it is him, but you have to take some things at face value, so I side with all the various countries and groups that say it is indeed him.

on Jan 20, 2006

I stated that it is NOT FROM BIN LADEN. IT WAS NOT UTTERED FROM HIS MOUTH.

God has spoken.  Let no man question his Word.  Ok, Osama bin rombios.

on Jan 20, 2006
Will you USE YOUR HEAD FOR GOODNESS SAKES ...
At the time he was alleged to have authored 911 ... he was on a blasted dialysis machine ...
this is information from his personal physician and family members ...


You are the one that needs to use his head. Try some simple math and logic. Yes, he was on dialysis in Sept. Do you think that the 9/11 attacks were "planned" in Sept? Get a clue will ya! Operations like that takes "months" of preparation and planning! I mean christ on a crutch the people that took the planes were in the US well BEFORE Sept.

Think about it for a second.
How many times have we killed the #2 #3 #4 #5.


#2...NEVER!

>So I take that now you know more than the experts?

so called "experts" that told us he had WMD, chemical weapons stocks and mobile labs?
so called "experts" that claimed he had ties to a fictitious Al Queda?

Sorry buddy
fool me once ...


According to you then the "whole" world knows "nothing" and has been fooled! Yeah, right!


Look ... do some research into what we can do with digital to analog converters. Samples
already exist of his voice saying various things ... those are digitized and can be
"manipulated" to say anything someone wants him to say.

Or it could be a voice copy cat ...



And just an fyi... there is NO way for a "voice copy cat" to fool the machines. NO copy cat can match both timbre and resonance of someone else's voice!

Go re-read my statements.
I stated that it is NOT FROM BIN LADEN. IT WAS NOT UTTERED FROM HIS MOUTH.


Got any "hard evidence" to back this up? I thought not. So this whole thing is hinging on your "opinion".
on Jan 20, 2006
It does not matter whether the tape was Bin Laden or not. His influence has spread so much amongst radical groups (Al Zaquari et al), that the threat is no longer from him---it is from the brainwashed individuals who bombed London's underground and Madrid's trains. We have to be vigilant at all times and jack up our security. We have to acknowledge that there isa massive threat to the Western world and do everything in our power to 'nip it in the bud'.
on Jan 20, 2006
so called "experts" that told us he had WMD, chemical weapons stocks and mobile labs?


All of which has never been disproven. Saddams WMD's have never been accounted for. Just because they weren't there doesn't mean they never existed.

so called "experts" that claimed he had ties to a fictitious Al Queda?


Saddam did have ties to al-qaeda.
on Jan 20, 2006
Here is an interesting point for you to ponder. I think if my information is correct is it not a requirement of their beliefes that they must offer a truce to thier enemy before they attack? If that is true, the have offered and now are free to attack? Food for thought.
on Jan 20, 2006

to a fictitious Al Queda?

That is the looniest statement I have ever seen on JU, far surpassing Dabe and WiseFawn!

No wonder rombios is a coward and hides behind anonymity!  I dont think that even Cindy Sheehan has said Al Qaeda is ficticious! WOW!  What a certifiable loon!  He makes dean look sane!

on Jan 20, 2006
NO.
Thats an emphatic NO.
Which is how I am able to reason and not just swallow the nonsense fed to me on CNN,FOX,MSNBC
It was a family decision ... we resolved 3 years ago to dump the TV ... COMPLETELY.


That is the biggest stupidity I have ever heard in my life. So you eliminated the problem of your stupidity to believ what you see on TV by eliminating the TV? That means that your stupidity to believ anything you see on TV is still there, what a genius you are.

BTW, if you don't watch TV news, how exactly do you find out about these stories? Newspaper? Internet news? Would that be the same thing? Whos the idiot now? I wouldn't mind saving a copy of this post of yours and show it to your daughter when she's old enough to understand just to see he reaction.

Go re-read my statements.
I stated that it is NOT FROM BIN LADEN. IT WAS NOT UTTERED FROM HIS MOUTH.

Look ... do some research into what we can do with digital to analog converters. Samples
already exist of his voice saying various things ... those are digitized and can be
"manipulated" to say anything someone wants him to say.

Or it could be a voice copy cat ...


Once again stupidity reigns supreme in your head. If they did use some type of degital tech to make this tape how exactly did they get the words? FROM BIN LADEN, FROM HIS OWN MOUTH. And just to get you up to date with tech, you may be able to piece words together with a computer but you can not mask the points where each word connects. There will always be that pause in the sound that will scream fake. When a person talks, depending on the situation and feeling, the words flow one after the other with their own tones. Mixing words from different audio bites will have different tones, speeds, feelings and background sounds, specially when he moves around alot. and drmiller already explained about the copy cat voice.

Sorry buddy
fool me once ...


What a joke. So now the whole world is stupid except for you and Bin Laden.

At the time he was alegded to have authored 911 ... he was on a blasted dialysis machine ...
this is information from his personal physician and family members ...
does Al Queda provide an HMO?
hes also well on in years and walks with a cane ... can you fathom being on the run in that
health state?

Sorry ... i prefer to USE MY HEAD, turn off the T.V and it will all become clear.


Funny, so he has all this money, millions, he can get all this tech to make fake tapes but he can't fix his health? With todays modern medicine? You really are distanced from TV. I feel for your children.
Oh yea, if you actually did use your head then you would have, first, signed in instead of using an anonymous name, second, actually get your facts straight and third not use you childs life to make a bet. Children are sacred and you used her like an object. Shame on you.

Think about it for a second.
How many times have we killed the #2 #3 #4 #5.
Everyone we kill is a #3 #4 a #5.


That exactly what you do, think for a second instead of actually putting some thought into your claims. No wonder your so lost and confused. I believe you have finally made me understand how the resident troll works.

Talk about so serious competition for the resident troll position on this site.
on Jan 20, 2006
Robios
I am willing to bet the LIFE of my 2 month old daughter ... that THAT was NOT Osama Bin Laden.And considering how quickly the CIA "confirmed" the tape ... remember "its a slam dunk" Tenet,I am even more sure.


You probably already feasted on her blood, just like you feast on news of dead U.S. troops anyway.
on Jan 20, 2006
ShadowWar, it Can't be the Real Osama Bin Laden. Last night on Coast to Coast AM, Myrrander's favorite psychic, Sylvia Brown, reasserted her prediction that Bin Laden has been dead for quite some time. :~D
on Jan 20, 2006

Myrrander's favorite psychic, Sylvia Brown, reasserted her prediction that Bin Laden has been dead for quite some time. :~D

She might be right!  She might be wrong! 50-50 odds aint bad!

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