They were protesting, albeit stupidly, but not violently.  There is a difference between holding up hate signs and burning embassies.

I saw it as a testament to a great city. Here are these two(?) yahoos protesting against the US at Ground Zero and the people let them.

It's brilliant! You protest, We counter protest and everyone gets to go home.

iG

There is a difference between holding up hate signs and burning embassies.

Yes, there is. But, it doesn't take much for a protest to turn violent, especially when people's religion is concerned. And, once a protest has turned violent....well, all bets are off.

Oh, and that placard that says 'Islam will dominate' pretty much removes all doubt about their intentions, doesn't it???

dharma,

I think if I held up a sign "America is the Cancer, Christianity is the answer", I could pretty much be labelled a militant Christian (oh wait...it's been done...how many liberals support Fred Phelps? Anyone? Anyone? That's what I THOUGHT). Yet when Islams do it, it's simply a misunderstanding of their culture.

I think the biggest irony in all of this is that in all likelihood, it will not be the actions of radical Islamists, but rather of "PC police" that will escalate this conflict. By denying that there is a problem, they're only alienating those of us who acknowledge there IS one. This whole thing could be resolved peacefully if we'd simply ACKNOWLEDGE there's a problem in the first place!

Yes, there is. But, it doesn't take much for a protest to turn violent, especially when people's religion is concerned. And, once a protest has turned violent....well, all bets are off.

Very true.  But we dont arrest people before they commit a crime, just afterwards.

OK OK I did not say they were violent(yet), and yes the difference is we are allowed to demonstrate. What I am pointing out is that the retoric they use is mush more volatile then that used by others. "Islam will Dominate" is a little different than "God Bless America".

I posted this as a warning, it is coming, and there are many here in the US that deny its a problem or a threat. It is and it will happen, its just when and where, unless we do some waking up and start putting a stop to it now.

I posted this as a warning, it is coming, and there are many here in the US that deny its a problem or a threat. It is and it will happen, its just when and where, unless we do some waking up and start putting a stop to it now.

Warning noted.  ONe would hope that the Muslims over here are of a saner nature, but as you correctly point out, the sign indicates otherwise.

That sign say a lot about what their intentions are. In order for the islamic flag to fly high on the capitol building will mean the destruction and defeat of the American Gov't and it's people. There is a difference between complaining about something and theatening to do harm because of it.

I have to believe that in some way they are in the US legally and that would mean that they, just like every other legal person in the US, has the right to be heard about their complaints but to say they want islam in control is to threaten the Gov't they show in their sign. I don't find that a peaceful complaint, that is a threat as far as aI'm concerned.

If anyone told me that they will dominate my house that is a threat to my authority in my house.

Why can't they just say it is wrong to make fun of their religion, that they are being treated unfair, why do they have to give people the idea that violence is all they know?

"ONe would hope that the Muslims over here are of a saner nature"

One would hope that people would not foolishly believe that these people speak for all American Muslims.

One would hope that people would not foolishly believe that these people speak for all American Muslims.

Only when those who don't agree with them come out and show it. Why is it so hard for them to condem the actions of those who claim to represent them if they do not agree with them? Why continue to go about letting people believe that if they don't say anything against then they must agree with them. I for one would quickly claim that they do not speak for me if I were muslim.

That is where the problem lies. It seems that an overwhelming amount of muslims take it upon themselves to prove their points but those who do not agree with them stay home or stay quiet making everyone else believe that if they do not complain then they agree. It makes sense to me. I don't like it when someone makes a statement about Latin people that groups everyone who's Latin under that statement, I quickly make sure that if I don't agree I address it.

One would hope that people would not foolishly believe that these people speak for all American Muslims.

I doubt the 9-11 19 did either.  And 3000 people are dead because of them.

One would hope that people would not foolishly believe that these people speak for all American Muslims.

I donot think I saw anyone say that. Did they? I must have missed it.

Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City . No Muslim outrage.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia . A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq . No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt . No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India . Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan , Russia . Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel . No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali . No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's fan.
I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"
Indeed. Why not?

I am originally from Yugoslavia and moved to Canada at the age of 10. Now I live in the US. There was always alot of tension in Yugoslavia between the Serbs and Croatians. At the root they played the religion card. There was still peace when I lived there but my dad knew it would not last. As things started to escalate there was a bigger and bigger division between the two cultures. My background happens to be neither Serbian or Croatian, we were just a minority there. When things really got heated up my cousins noticed that people that were their friends for their whole lives started looking at the last name and asking questions. Virtually over night people you grew up with, played with, had over to your house for dinner now viewed you as an enemy.

Once things reach a boiling point people usually stick with their own culture and I would not be suprised that the Muslims that do not aggree with the extremists right now will support them once a real war breaks out.

It's hard not to forget your roots and to forget racial and cultural lines. It seems that we always have it in the back of our minds out heritage and put it above everyone elses. It's not right but it seems to be human nature.

I grew up never looking at the color of skin or the persons background but judged them on who they are as a person. I try to respect every culture and I make sure to respect the culture and beliefs of the people of the country where I happen to be in. I moved to Canada and the US because my parents felt it was a better place. I don't look back to where I come from ith rose colored glasses and see it as a better place now then where I am. If you are not happy here go back to where you came from if you really feel it is better there. It's your choice.

In the end the war in Yugoslavia can be broken down to one things. It was more of a co-operation between the leaders of Serbia and Croatia. They both wanted more control over their area and they both played the religion card and wound the people up into a frenzy. People died thinking it was for their culture and religion when in the end it was for the greed of the power hungy leaders. The leaders never cared about the religion only about getting more for themselves.