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Published on January 19, 2007 By ShadowWar In Current Events

New lobbying bill to criminalize political bloggers?

One of the Democratic priorities for the new Congress was passage of a lobbyist reform bill, but the introduction of S.1 into the Senate has caused a veritable firestorm of controversy. That's because section 220 of the bill introduces disclosure requirements for "paid efforts to stimulate grassroots lobbying." The Traditional Values Coalition calls this section the "most expansive intrusion on First Amendment rights ever proposed in the United States Senate," while GrassrootsFreedom.com chairman Richard Viguerie says that if it passes, "We'd be living under totalitarianism, not democracy." But are these accurate statements, or is truth the first casualty of rhetoric?

S.1 would change the rules for lobbyists. It bans all gifts from lobbyists, imposes restrictions on trips and accommodation offered to elected officials, and requires all "earmarks" to be identified in spending bills, according to the Congressional Budget Office. But the bill also wants to bring disclosure requirements to the murky world of astroturf groups (so-called because they mimic real grassroots organizations). This is certainly a noble goal; undisclosed corporate money washes through so many front groups now that it can be difficult to tell when opinions are genuine and when they are bought and sold.

Section 220 of the bill "would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress the same as the big K. Street lobbyists," said Viguerie in a statement, but the truth isn't that simple.

So what's in the bill?

Section 220 introduces a series of modifications to the 1995 Lobbying Disclosure Act. The most important is that "paid efforts to stimulate grassroots lobbying" now counts as "lobbying" under certain circumstances. Currently, lobbyists are only considered as such if they have contact with elected officials or staff members. Should the new bill become law, disclosure and reporting requirements for lobbyists would be extended to groups who attempt to influence the general public to contact legislators.

This is what has inspired claims that bloggers and activists of all stripes will suddenly be classed as lobbyists and will be monitored by the government. What the bill says, though, is that the rules only apply to people who are paid by clients to encourage the public to contact Congress about specific legislation. The rules do not apply to any communication directed at less than 500 people, they do not apply to any communication directed at a group's current membership, and they do not impose any speech regulations (all that is required is a quarterly report describing where one's money came from and what bills were worked on).

Would this apply to a political blogger? Not usually. Because section 220 is only a series of changes to the Lobbying Disclosure Act, that legislation's other rules still apply. According to OMB Watch, a government accountability watchdog group, the LDA's registration requirement is only triggered by groups that spend more than $24,500 on lobbying semiannually and employ a least one person who spends 20 percent or more of their work time on lobbying. The bill also concerns only the federal government; groups operating at the state level are exempt.

Hmmm so if I don't make money or get money for my blog I am OK. Well thank GOD. I make jack from it and anyway only have 2 reads, y wife and my dog. And I force the dog to read it. I know I know, animal cruelty. But hey, the dog likes it.


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on Jan 19, 2007
This won't be 'big' blog level stuff. It will be the Col on crack, with a host of rumors and political fables to spread, imho.


Or worse, hack jobs done anonymously to utilize the "lying for justice" phenomenon promoted by people like Moby in the last couple of elections.


i agree with ya baker that "something must be done" but i think you are being a lil one sided in your examples...let's not forget about armsstrong williams and the 240K (that we know about) he got from the administration while he was goin on hardball et al as well as his writings on and offline as an "independent journalist."

there are many "political machines" on all sides of the political fence all trying to get that "edge" over the competition. it's not a left or right thing...all sides have done it, and all sides rationalize that when they do it it is ok. but it's not. not by the left, right or middle. it's pure deception no matter who does it.



on Jan 19, 2007
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, greywar.

What you are describing is the absolute opposite of how this kind of work gets done. That kind of "quality", mass-audience thinking is what got Sony nailed, and that's why the others that behave that way always get caught. They hire fashion models to stand around in crowded malls and take pictures of each other with a hot new cameraphone, or crap like the Sony thing or "lonelygirl".

Viral marketing and campaigning functions in a different universe. You can't think in terms of hits and bang-for-the-buck and reaching a wide audience. Viral marketing is to real marketing as a pick pocket is to David Copperfield. Think confidence scams.

If the people being marketed to have any interest whatsoever in the person doing the marketing, the jig is up. If more than a few people turn on the street to stare, you bow out and walk away quickly. If they want to find out more about you, you're doomed.

Viral marketing isn't about a carrier handing the content in 1:1 fashion. You don't spread diseases by requiring everyone to walk up to Patient Zero and get sneezed on. If you do, patient zero doesn't remain effective for very long, no matter how deep the cover is.
on Jan 19, 2007
If the people being marketed to have any interest whatsoever in the person doing the marketing, the jig is up.


Exactly why there is nothing to fear from campaigns trying this sort of this. It only helps them if they can get a significant number of people to care, and if significant numbers of people care then the fraud is auto-exposed, ergo no need for legislation.
on Jan 19, 2007
"it's not a left or right thing...all sides have done it, and all sides rationalize that when they do it it is ok. but it's not. not by the left, right or middle. it's pure deception no matter who does it."


It won't be, no, but up until now it has definitely been a lefty phenomenon. And for good reason. The definition of "conservative" usually doesn't lead to a lot of activism, because we don't want things changed all that much.

I did mention swiftboatvets above if you notice. And there are conservative mirrors of some of the larger blogs. I don't think you can really find a conservative equivalent to Democratic Underground or MoveOn, though eventually one will arise.

on Jan 19, 2007
"It only helps them if they can get a significant number of people to care, and if significant numbers of people care then the fraud is auto-exposed, ergo no need for legislation."


Operative word "they". Again, viral marketing doesn't work in the way that you portray. As I said, think in terms of pickpockets, or diseases. What you are saying is that if a person can't sneeze on a million people a day, then there's no reason to believe they are a threat as a carrier.

If you are claiming that viral marketing doesn't work at all, well, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. If you could point to obvious cases where it did, well, they'd be failures.
on Jan 20, 2007
It won't be, no, but up until now it has definitely been a lefty phenomenon. And for good reason. The definition of "conservative" usually doesn't lead to a lot of activism, because we don't want things changed all that much.


heritage foundation? focus on the family? etc, etc...again, i don't think the left has an exclusive on this stuff. and conservatives seem to want plenty of changes from where i sit, just as liberals do. they just want different kinds of changes to happen most of the time. i think many more groups engage in this than is known. i would be willing to bet that 99% of them haven't been caught as there hasn't been any real concerted operations to expose them.

outside of politics, there have been people busted for promoting stocks and other investments that they had interests in and going into chat rooms and message boards (i'm not sure about blogging specifically, but it's hardly out of the question)and encouraging people to invest in certain investments. that's not a "right wing" thing, but it's not a left wing thing either.

the "anonymity" that is granted on the web exposes everyone to all kinds of this stuff i believe. and i also believe we don't know the 1/2 of what's goin on.

I did mention swiftboatvets above if you notice


i did miss that

I don't think you can really find a conservative equivalent to Democratic Underground or MoveOn, though eventually one will arise.


again, i think there are plenty of conservative organizations and think tanks out there. they may not have been founded on the web like moveon(i don't know much about the underground other than they seem like a few wing nuts trying to look bigger than they are, but that's typical on the web)but they (con.groups)are out there and already use the web to promote. why would viral marketing be so out of reach for them? they have consultants and people hipper to the workings of the net.

remember our go rounds with "lulabelle?" there were many times that her responses and statements had me thinkin she was workin for the church..i can't prove that and very well could be wrong, but for someone who wasn't a member here, she sure was adamant to stick around and argue for the CC. i think most parishoners would have run screaming from the kind of rude abuse one can take in a debate around here.

just some thoughts,,,,



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