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Salt Lake Jihad? New American Jihad??
Published on March 13, 2007 By ShadowWar In War on Terror
Are we facing a new and increasing type of criminal/ terrorist act? Is there reason for concern of the general public at large? Should we begin to prepare ourselves for the possibility of bigger and more spectacular attacks?

When Sulejmen Talovic entered the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City Monday night with a shotgun, a pistol, and a backpack full of ammunition, he intended to “kill a large number of people,” according to Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. Talovic killed five people and wounded four before he himself was killed by an off-duty Ogden police officer who happened to be in the mall.

Why did Talovic do it? No one knows. Talovic’s aunt, Ajka Omerovic, told reporters: “We want to know what happened, just like you guys. We have no idea...We know him as a good boy. He liked everybody, so I don’t know what happened.” She did state that he was being misled my "outside" sources. Who were these "outside" sources? It has not been revealed yet. Talovic, who was eighteen at the time of the murders, was a Bosnian Muslim who came to the United States with his family in 1998. Could he have been motivated by jihadist sympathies?

FBI special agent Patrick Kiernan discounted that possibility. “We’re working closely with the Salt Lake P.D. and we’re obviously aware that that [terrorism] is a potential issue out there,” he explained. “But at this point there is nothing that is leading us down this road.” And with Talovic dead and apparently having acted alone, unless something he wrote explaining his actions is discovered, it is unlikely that his motive will ever be definitively known.

But was Kiernan really correct that “there is nothing that is leading us down this road”? Unfortunately, he didn’t explain how he came to this conclusion. Talovic joins an unfortunately growing list of Muslims who have committed acts of violence, only for officials to assure us that their actions have nothing to do with terrorism. Maybe none of them do, but the list is full of troubling details:

 

  • On January 31, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, 22, stole a car in Minneapolis. He went on a rampage, ramming the stolen car into other cars and then stealing a van and continuing to ram other cars, injuring one person. His father told officials that Mohamed was suffering from mental problems; his mother added he had been depressed and hadn’t been taking his medication. During his rampage, Mohamed repeatedly yelled, “Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill,” and when asked why he did all this, he replied, “Allah made me do it.”
  • Omeed Aziz Popal, a Muslim from Afghanistan, who killed one person and injured fourteen during a murderous drive through San Francisco city streets in August 2006, during which he targeted people on crosswalks and sidewalks, identified himself as a terrorist after his rampage, according to Rob Roth of San Francisco’s KTVU. Later the murders were ascribed to Popal’s mental problems, and to stress arising from his impending arranged marriage.
  • On July 28, 2006, a Muslim named Naveed Afzal Haq forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Once inside, Haq announced, “I’m a Muslim American; I’m angry at Israel,” and then began shooting, killing one woman and injuring five more. FBI assistant special agent David Gomez stated: “We believe...it’s a lone individual acting out his antagonism. There’s nothing to indicate that it’s terrorism-related. But we're monitoring the entire situation.”
  • In March 2006, a twenty-two-year-old Iranian student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV onto the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, deliberately trying to kill people and succeeding in injuring nine. After the incident, he seemed singularly pleased with himself, smiling and waving to crowds after a court appearance on Monday, at which he explained that he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah.” Officials here again dismissed the possibility of terrorism, even after Taheri-azar wrote a series of letters to the UNC campus newspaper detailing the Qur’anic justification for warfare against unbelievers, and explaining why he believed his attacks were justified from an Islamic perspective.
  • The 2005 University of Oklahoma bombing occurred on Saturday, October 1, 2005 at approximately 8:00 p.m. CDT, when a bomb went off near the George Lynn Cross Hall on the University of Oklahoma (OU) campus. The explosion was approximately 500 feet away from a stadium with 84,501 spectators watching a football game,and reports are mixed on whether or not the bomber tried to enter the stadium before the explosion. The Norman, Oklahoma police department reported that the bomber, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, was killed in the explosion, and have described it as a suicide bombing. No one other than the bomber was killed.

None of these were terrorist attacks in the sense that they were planned and executed by al-Qaeda agents that we know of. And it is possible that all of them were products of nothing more ideologically significant than a disturbed mental state, although it is at least noteworthy that each attacker explained his actions in terms of Islamic terrorism. As such attacks grow in number, it would behoove authorities at very least to consider the possibility that these attacks were inspired by the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacy, and to step up pressure on American Muslim advocacy groups to renounce that ideology definitively and begin extensive programs to teach against it in American Islamic schools and mosques.

In October 2006, a pro-jihad Internet site published a “Guide for Individual Jihad,” explaining to jihadists “how to fight alone.” It recommended, among other things, assassination with guns and running people over. Is it possible that Sulejmen Talovic and some of these others were waging this jihad of one? It is indeed, but with law enforcement officials trained only to look for signs of membership in al-Qaeda or other jihad groups, and to discount terrorism as a factor if those signs aren’t there, it is a possibility that investigators will continue to overlook or at least call it for what it is.

What is the purpose of these types of attacks? Is it to instill fear in the mainstream public? Is it to try and show the extent to which these people will go to try and make their point? What point is that? That they are willing to die to make people fear them? I don't get that one. But I will have to sit back and take a wait and see posture.

Majority of post from http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26961 My comments and additions in Blue..


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on Mar 14, 2007
.just because you're a devout "anything" be in christian or whatever, does NOT mean you have to attend a church.


Devout people also don't yell "Die, motherf***ers, die" as they shoot people.
on Mar 14, 2007
Now first let me re-interate, I DO NOT CALL HIM A TERRORIST in any form. I simply said that it can not be ruled out and needs to be looked at closer. Look at the CITATIONS BELOW:
Sulejman Talovic quit school at 16, but had continued to attend Friday prayers at a Salt Lake City mosque until December, when he got a job under pressure from his father. FROM/ CITATION http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/15/national/main2480419_page2.shtmlWWW Link
also
uljo Talovic has consistently told the press that he has no idea where his son got the guns and made the bizarre statement that "someone must have put him up to the shootings" which further indicates a jihadist motive and that he must know something which would be of great interest to the investigation.

Suljo Talovic, Father of Shooter: "Somebody got (the guns)…and maybe (they were) training him and tell(ing) him (to), ‘go shoot somebody.'"

Question: So you think that somebody influenced him maybe to do this?

Suljo Talovic: "Yeah. I think somebody."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=900025
WWW Link

So in my opinion (which I am allowed to have last time I checked) this warrants a closer look and more investigation. Do you disagree with any of that?
on Mar 14, 2007
So in my opinion (which I am allowed to have last time I checked)


When did I ever say you couldn't have an opinion? You've gone and blown things completely out of proportion. Baker never said you couldn't have one, either, he just wanted you to stop plagiarizing (which is not only against the ToU but against the law).

Take a chill pill.

And I saw that interview with his father. It didn't seem like a statement of "I know he's been hanging around with the wrong crowd" but more of an effort to understand how his child could have done that. What would you say if your son shot up a bunch of people?
on Mar 14, 2007
So explain the "Suljo Talovic, Father of Shooter: "Somebody got (the guns)…and maybe (they were) training him and tell(ing) him (to), ‘go shoot somebody.'"

Question: So you think that somebody influenced him maybe to do this?

Suljo Talovic: "Yeah. I think somebody."

Just a rambling?


You forgot the
And you this to be a fact? How?


Because I live in the Salt Lake Area and watched interview after interview on the local TV stations with the leaders of the three local mosques all saying that they've never seen the kid, and interviews with his aunt that said he never went to the mosque.


What about
Sulejman Talovic quit school at 16, but had continued to attend Friday prayers at a Salt Lake City mosque until December, when he got a job under pressure from his father. FROM/ CITATION http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/15/national/main2480419_page2.shtmlWWW Link



on Mar 14, 2007
From a Salt Lake City TV Station:
Suljo Talovic: "I buy him a car and say, ‘go find a girlfriend or something, go have some fun,' a Mazda 2002, but he didn't go anywhere."

Suljo believes something or someone was controlling his son's mind and he wants police to look into that possibility.

Suljo: "I think this Suljemen did. I think somebody (is) behind him, I think, but I am not sure. What kind of person do you think that may have been? No good. I don't know he's not good. But you think somebody had influence over him? He not tell me nothing. Maybe this guy is in Trolley Square looking at how he died. I think so."

KSL Newsradio learned today that when Suljemen was a student at Horizonte school he was discovered looking at prohibited websites that contained information about AK-47s. That's when his parents pulled him out of school.
CITATION/SOURCE/LINK: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=900702WWW Link
on Mar 14, 2007
I don't know about you guys, but after reading those stories and refreshing the interview in my mind, I still see the traits of a troubled teen, not a jihadist. But I know that you'll not be convinced of anything other than your opinion, and you've yet to sway me. So I suppose I'll just leave. Don't let the door hit me on the ass on my way out.
on Mar 14, 2007
SC I agree with you! I know that sounds funny but I too think he was a troubled youth with mental problems. Where we differ is I think his trouble may have came from Individual Jihad syndrome. His religious beliefs may have provided the honus to kick him over the edge. I still don't know for sure, but have to say the amount of information pointing that way sure is volumous.
on Mar 14, 2007
I wonder, then, what provided the additional kick to, for example, the Columbine shooters? While your argument appears seductively compelling, I'm afraid it would set us on a very, very slippery slope where eventually we can be tried for thought crimes.
on Mar 14, 2007
Slippery slope of what? I don't say we should prosecute Muslims or target anyone. Just that this type of act is out there yet no one wants acknowledge it. And the fact that the religion of Islam may be playing a part.

As for Columbine it was the treatment of the killers by the peers that set them off finally.
on Mar 14, 2007
This is a plagiarized article and needs to be removed. Here is the original. It is an article called "Salt Lake Jihad?" by Robert Spencer.
on Mar 14, 2007
The FBi went through this kid's computer, all his things. They found *nothing*. They couldn't even say whether or not he held any Muslim beliefs. It's pathetic how hateful people will stretch to make a monster out of what they hate. This is why I left JU for a while, and I may leave for good. I'm sick of the 'true blue' idiots around here, I don't even like to see this kind of hateful crap.
on Mar 14, 2007
As for Columbine it was the treatment of the killers by the peers that set them off finally.


You don't know that. They're dead; they can't tell us of their motivations and triggers.

Likewise, Talovic is dead. Dead as a doornail. But I maintain, the religiously-minded jihadist is not going to yell "Die, motherf***ers, die" as he guns people down. Which is, according to all eye-and ear-witnesses, exactly what Talovic was yelling.
on Mar 15, 2007
Why do you keep calling Sulejmen Talovic a terrorist? I pointed out that there was a white guy that went nuts and shot people on the SAME DAY in Pennsylvania and you don't call him a terrorist. The FBI says he wasn't a terrorist, and couldn't even find proof of Muslim faith on his part.

Could you tell me how you know he is a Muslim? Because his family is? If the guy in Pennsylvania's family is a Christian, can I make some long, empty-headed diatribe about Christian terrorists? Joel Henry Hinrichs wasn't a Muslim either, all that was debunked by the FBI.

The saddest part isn't that you vilify a particular religion, but that you are totally blind to the fact that crazy Christian, Atheists, etc., kill people all the time and you never blog on it. There are millions of Muslims in America, if there was some coordinated effort to go on shooting sprees you wouldn't need to guess if it is a trend, they'd let you know themselves like they do everywhere else.

If I were Sulejmen Talovic's family, I'd find a vindictive lawyer, hit google, ans sue every person I could find who implies he was a muslim terrorist. I'm betting you can't even prove he was Muslim, given the FBI can't.



Yeah...why indict a whole culture on the actions of just a few million.
on Mar 16, 2007
This is a plagiarized article and needs to be removed. Here is the original. It is an article called "Salt Lake Jihad?" by Robert Spencer.


Hey grow up, read back I cited the orginal article. Gheessshhh give it a rest. You embarassing yourself.
on Mar 16, 2007
The FBi went through this kid's computer, all his things. They found *nothing*. They couldn't even say whether or not he held any Muslim beliefs. It's pathetic how hateful people will stretch to make a monster out of what they hate. This is why I left JU for a while, and I may leave for good. I'm sick of the 'true blue' idiots around here, I don't even like to see this kind of hateful crap.


LOL I don't hate anyone Baker, not even you after all your whining. I even have a very close friend/co-worker who is Muslim and would stand beside her anytime to defend her right to practice Islam. (BTW shes a cop..LOL) So lighten up on the hate speech. Your the only one using the "hate" word around here..
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