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Salt Lake Jihad? New American Jihad??
Published on March 13, 2007 By ShadowWar In War on Terror
Are we facing a new and increasing type of criminal/ terrorist act? Is there reason for concern of the general public at large? Should we begin to prepare ourselves for the possibility of bigger and more spectacular attacks?

When Sulejmen Talovic entered the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City Monday night with a shotgun, a pistol, and a backpack full of ammunition, he intended to “kill a large number of people,” according to Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. Talovic killed five people and wounded four before he himself was killed by an off-duty Ogden police officer who happened to be in the mall.

Why did Talovic do it? No one knows. Talovic’s aunt, Ajka Omerovic, told reporters: “We want to know what happened, just like you guys. We have no idea...We know him as a good boy. He liked everybody, so I don’t know what happened.” She did state that he was being misled my "outside" sources. Who were these "outside" sources? It has not been revealed yet. Talovic, who was eighteen at the time of the murders, was a Bosnian Muslim who came to the United States with his family in 1998. Could he have been motivated by jihadist sympathies?

FBI special agent Patrick Kiernan discounted that possibility. “We’re working closely with the Salt Lake P.D. and we’re obviously aware that that [terrorism] is a potential issue out there,” he explained. “But at this point there is nothing that is leading us down this road.” And with Talovic dead and apparently having acted alone, unless something he wrote explaining his actions is discovered, it is unlikely that his motive will ever be definitively known.

But was Kiernan really correct that “there is nothing that is leading us down this road”? Unfortunately, he didn’t explain how he came to this conclusion. Talovic joins an unfortunately growing list of Muslims who have committed acts of violence, only for officials to assure us that their actions have nothing to do with terrorism. Maybe none of them do, but the list is full of troubling details:

 

  • On January 31, Ismail Yassin Mohamed, 22, stole a car in Minneapolis. He went on a rampage, ramming the stolen car into other cars and then stealing a van and continuing to ram other cars, injuring one person. His father told officials that Mohamed was suffering from mental problems; his mother added he had been depressed and hadn’t been taking his medication. During his rampage, Mohamed repeatedly yelled, “Die, die, die, kill, kill, kill,” and when asked why he did all this, he replied, “Allah made me do it.”
  • Omeed Aziz Popal, a Muslim from Afghanistan, who killed one person and injured fourteen during a murderous drive through San Francisco city streets in August 2006, during which he targeted people on crosswalks and sidewalks, identified himself as a terrorist after his rampage, according to Rob Roth of San Francisco’s KTVU. Later the murders were ascribed to Popal’s mental problems, and to stress arising from his impending arranged marriage.
  • On July 28, 2006, a Muslim named Naveed Afzal Haq forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. Once inside, Haq announced, “I’m a Muslim American; I’m angry at Israel,” and then began shooting, killing one woman and injuring five more. FBI assistant special agent David Gomez stated: “We believe...it’s a lone individual acting out his antagonism. There’s nothing to indicate that it’s terrorism-related. But we're monitoring the entire situation.”
  • In March 2006, a twenty-two-year-old Iranian student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drove an SUV onto the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, deliberately trying to kill people and succeeding in injuring nine. After the incident, he seemed singularly pleased with himself, smiling and waving to crowds after a court appearance on Monday, at which he explained that he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah.” Officials here again dismissed the possibility of terrorism, even after Taheri-azar wrote a series of letters to the UNC campus newspaper detailing the Qur’anic justification for warfare against unbelievers, and explaining why he believed his attacks were justified from an Islamic perspective.
  • The 2005 University of Oklahoma bombing occurred on Saturday, October 1, 2005 at approximately 8:00 p.m. CDT, when a bomb went off near the George Lynn Cross Hall on the University of Oklahoma (OU) campus. The explosion was approximately 500 feet away from a stadium with 84,501 spectators watching a football game,and reports are mixed on whether or not the bomber tried to enter the stadium before the explosion. The Norman, Oklahoma police department reported that the bomber, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, was killed in the explosion, and have described it as a suicide bombing. No one other than the bomber was killed.

None of these were terrorist attacks in the sense that they were planned and executed by al-Qaeda agents that we know of. And it is possible that all of them were products of nothing more ideologically significant than a disturbed mental state, although it is at least noteworthy that each attacker explained his actions in terms of Islamic terrorism. As such attacks grow in number, it would behoove authorities at very least to consider the possibility that these attacks were inspired by the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacy, and to step up pressure on American Muslim advocacy groups to renounce that ideology definitively and begin extensive programs to teach against it in American Islamic schools and mosques.

In October 2006, a pro-jihad Internet site published a “Guide for Individual Jihad,” explaining to jihadists “how to fight alone.” It recommended, among other things, assassination with guns and running people over. Is it possible that Sulejmen Talovic and some of these others were waging this jihad of one? It is indeed, but with law enforcement officials trained only to look for signs of membership in al-Qaeda or other jihad groups, and to discount terrorism as a factor if those signs aren’t there, it is a possibility that investigators will continue to overlook or at least call it for what it is.

What is the purpose of these types of attacks? Is it to instill fear in the mainstream public? Is it to try and show the extent to which these people will go to try and make their point? What point is that? That they are willing to die to make people fear them? I don't get that one. But I will have to sit back and take a wait and see posture.

Majority of post from http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26961 My comments and additions in Blue..


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on Mar 13, 2007

Oh and here is what the militant Islamic website says:

"Though jihad may be a part of the answer to the problems of the ummah, it is an extremely important part. Jihad is to offer ourselves to Allah for His Cause. Indeed, every person should according to Islam prepare himself/herself for jihad and every person should eagerly and patiently wait for the day when Allah will call them to show their willingness to sacrifice their lives. We should all ask ourselves if there is a quicker way to heaven?" Do I need to expand on that or does everyone see what I see being asked there?

Link: http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2619

on Mar 13, 2007
Talovic certainly could have been religiously motivated but there are probably a host of things that a Bosnian Muslim could have going on mentally besides all that. Pretty dismal place for the last couple of decades...
on Mar 13, 2007
Why do you keep calling Sulejmen Talovic a terrorist? I pointed out that there was a white guy that went nuts and shot people on the SAME DAY in Pennsylvania and you don't call him a terrorist. The FBI says he wasn't a terrorist, and couldn't even find proof of Muslim faith on his part.

Could you tell me how you know he is a Muslim? Because his family is? If the guy in Pennsylvania's family is a Christian, can I make some long, empty-headed diatribe about Christian terrorists? Joel Henry Hinrichs wasn't a Muslim either, all that was debunked by the FBI.

The saddest part isn't that you vilify a particular religion, but that you are totally blind to the fact that crazy Christian, Atheists, etc., kill people all the time and you never blog on it. There are millions of Muslims in America, if there was some coordinated effort to go on shooting sprees you wouldn't need to guess if it is a trend, they'd let you know themselves like they do everywhere else.

If I were Sulejmen Talovic's family, I'd find a vindictive lawyer, hit google, ans sue every person I could find who implies he was a muslim terrorist. I'm betting you can't even prove he was Muslim, given the FBI can't.
on Mar 13, 2007
P.S. You still haven't linked the article or credited the author, btw.
on Mar 13, 2007
I wonder what SW would do if someone took an article he wrote, tagged a couple of sentences to it, and didn't credit him. I doubt it would be kosher. People have been tossed off JU for stealing articles like this.

Someone should email the guy and see what he thinks about it, maybe. Stealing content isn't usually a nice thing to do.
on Mar 14, 2007
Why do you keep calling Sulejmen Talovic a terrorist? I pointed out that there was a white guy that went nuts and shot people on the SAME DAY in Pennsylvania and you don't call him a terrorist. The FBI says he wasn't a terrorist, and couldn't even find proof of Muslim faith on his part.


There are sources that say different:

Link

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Google gives 11,500 hits on this search.
on Mar 14, 2007
Wow, you can find talking heads that'll say anything.

Yes, he was a BOSNIAN Muslim. They are, as a general rule, Muslims in name only. They aren't the Sharia Muslims you (incorrectly) assume they are.

Guess how many times Talovic went to the mosque while he lived here for all those years?

Guess?

Yup. Not once. Doesn't sound like he's a devout Muslim on a quest for jihad, now, does it?

He might have been "Muslim" but he certainly wasn't a "jihadist". It would do you all well to read something besides the neo-con talking heads.

PS Thanks for deleting all my posts, ShadowWar. Very mature of you.
on Mar 14, 2007
PS Thanks for deleting all my posts, ShadowWar. Very mature of you.


He didn't "just" delete yours...he got baker too. So don't feel special.

Guess how many times Talovic went to the mosque while he lived here for all those years?

Guess?

Yup. Not once. Doesn't sound like he's a devout Muslim on a quest for jihad, now, does it?


And you this to be a fact? How?

Yes, he was a BOSNIAN Muslim. They are, as a general rule, Muslims in name only. They aren't the Sharia Muslims you (incorrectly) assume they are.


I do wish you'd quit assuming things. Especially when it comes to what I personally think. I made no mention of that, nor do I assume it.
on Mar 14, 2007
And you this to be a fact? How?


Because I live in the Salt Lake Area and watched interview after interview on the local TV stations with the leaders of the three local mosques all saying that they've never seen the kid, and interviews with his aunt that said he never went to the mosque.
on Mar 14, 2007
DrM,

I just gave up. When BK doesn't like or agree with what you post he doesn't discuss the content of the material, regardless of how he thinks I got it, he just takes over the thread and whines about the fact I forgot to cite where I go the information from. Grow up man, talk about the content. Or run off and tell whoever you want whatever you want. Im gonna take my ball and go home! LOL.

You are not allowed to have a personal opinion according to him. If yours is not the same as his, well you see what happens. Freedom of speech? Heck why would he want to respect that. As for failure to cite, review almost all my other post, I cite the source of my "cut and paste" post and parts of post, forgot to this time, you know what, http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26961 there now I cited it, what will you discuss now? Content? I doubt it..
on Mar 14, 2007
And you this to be a fact? How?


Because I live in the Salt Lake Area and watched interview after interview on the local TV stations with the leaders of the three local mosques all saying that they've never seen the kid, and interviews with his aunt that said he never went to the mosque.


That was just local. Did he ever live anywhere else? Of course he did! Do you know for certain that he never went to one "before" getting to Utah? I don't think so. And since you can't say it with all certainty, you can't say never.
on Mar 14, 2007
DrM,

I just gave up. When BK doesn't like or agree with what you post he doesn't discuss the content of the material, regardless of how he thinks I got it, he just takes over the thread and whines about the fact I forgot to cite where I go the information from. Grow up man, talk about the content. Or run off and tell whoever you want whatever you want. Im gonna take my ball and go home! LOL.

You are not allowed to have a personal opinion according to him. If yours is not the same as his, well you see what happens. Freedom of speech? Heck why would he want to respect that. As for failure to cite, review almost all my other post, I cite the source of my "cut and paste" post and parts of post, forgot to this time, you know what, Link there now I cited it, what will you discuss now? Content? I doubt it..


What is it with him lately? When I first started here I used to agree with just about everything he wrote. Now he's getting to the point to where I agree with nothing that comes out of his K/B.
on Mar 14, 2007
Do you know for certain that he never went to one "before" getting to Utah?


So . . . he just "hid" his devout Muslim faith and tendency for jihad for the seven years he lived here? Come on. That's just silly. If he was devout enough to be a terrorist in the name of Allah, you'd think he'd go to church sometime.

I do wish you'd quit assuming things. Especially when it comes to what I personally think. I made no mention of that, nor do I assume it.


Why else would his Muslim "faith" come into play? Baker mentioned that there was a Protestant white guy that shot up people in his office building the same way. Yet we don't paint him as the "New American Protestant Terrorist". You guys are creating a double standard here. If he was just Joe Schmow Americano, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But it is because people assume that Muslim=extremist=terrorist that we're even talking about this here.


ShadowWar: Thanks for finally citing your source.
on Mar 14, 2007
Why else would his Muslim "faith" come into play? Baker mentioned that there was a Protestant white guy that shot up people in his office building the same way. Yet we don't paint him as the "New American Protestant Terrorist". You guys are creating a double standard here. If he was just Joe Schmow Americano, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But it is because people assume that Muslim=extremist=terrorist that we're even talking about this here.


Look dude, Baker brought it up not me.

Could you tell me how you know he is a Muslim? Because his family is? If the guy in Pennsylvania's family is a Christian, can I make some long, empty-headed diatribe about Christian terrorists? Joel Henry Hinrichs wasn't a Muslim either, all that was debunked by the FBI.


And then you just had to jump on the bandwagon.

Wow, you can find talking heads that'll say anything.

Yes, he was a BOSNIAN Muslim. They are, as a general rule, Muslims in name only. They aren't the Sharia Muslims you (incorrectly) assume they are.

Guess how many times Talovic went to the mosque while he lived here for all those years?

Guess?

Yup. Not once. Doesn't sound like he's a devout Muslim on a quest for jihad, now, does it?


And just an FYI...just because you're a devout "anything" be in christian or whatever, does NOT mean you have to attend a church. I know my God does not require it.
on Mar 14, 2007
Dude, that's the point of this whole article - how it's his Muslim-ness that makes him a terrorist, instead of just another crazy guy with a gun. Neither Baker or I are jumping on any wagons . . . we're just refuting a claim we find incorrect, and frankly, over-the-top.

The FBI said Wednesday that it had determined terrorism did not play a role in the shooting rampage.
Omerovic said Talovic was not a terrorist.


Source: Your very advice, Miller. Google = Article that states FBI ruling out terrorism as an option.
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