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Published on June 19, 2007 By ShadowWar In Websites

I find this very interesting. Recently I was trying to upload a set of videos to my YouTube Channel (where I have 73 others) and found that YouTube has a 10 minute in length or 100 meg limit. My new videos were under the 100 meg limit but were over the 10 minute limit. SO I went looking and found the rule in the help section. Just a note all my others meet the requirements.

But having been around YouTube for a while, I have watched many videos. And some of those well over the 10 minute limit and the 100 Meg limit. But then I realized after going back on YouTube and looking, that all the video's that I could find that were over the 10 minute limit or the 100 meg limit were all anti-war or anti-US Government. What was this? Was YouTube setting one set of standards for one group and another set for everyone else?

So being the rule follower that I am I e-mailed YouTube's help contact and got this very helpful response:

Hi there,

 

Thanks for your email. We're no longer offering the option to upload videos longer than 10 minutes for any account.

 

I apologize for any frustration, but we are constantly trying our best to balance the interests of the community against other considerations (such as legal ones).

 

YouTube is a great way to expose your work to millions of people around the world, and posting smaller chunks of your work may even keep the attention of a wider audience.

 

I appreciate you taking the time to write back as we highly value feedback from our users. I have passed along your comments to our product team, and I hope you'll find a way to creatively use the ten minute limit to your advantage.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Aamir

The YouTube Team

So thinking that they may have changed the rules I went back and looked some more. Using the keyword "military" I found where a video was uploaded and displayed 1 day ago that is over the 10 minute rule, by someone using the name "jihadlovestoyota". Hmmmm SO when did they change this supposed rule, when I sent my e-mail? Did you notice the name of the "person" that responded to me? Did you notice the name of the person allowed to break the upload rules? SO maybe it was the keyword I used. I typed in "Iraq" and found that again 1 day ago someone named "donovonc" was allowed to upload a video over the 10 minute rule. The title of the video is "Democracy Now Headlines. Monday, June 18, 2007", the video being an anti-US video report.

What is going on here? Why am I being told that there is this rule, when it is plain to see that it does not apply to all evenly. If you are allowed to upload anti-US videos, why not Pro-US videos? I think YouTube has a little explaining to do. YouTube?

Here are some links to just a few videos I mentioned and others that are over the limits, see if you notice a common theme:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kvLkfO2GQk4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=efeh8vzpHE4

Or you can go on for yourself and find them very quickly. I wonder what is going on at YouTube.

My YouTube Channel is at http://youtube.com/profile?user=3rdID8487.

 


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on Jun 20, 2007

Update: Here is a e-mail response I got to the article I wrote (I sent them a copy).

Hi there,

 

Thanks for your response and I apologize for any frustration, and understand that our messaging has been confusing. Please be rest assured that YouTube policies and rules are same for everyone.

 

We're no longer offering the option to upload videos longer than 10 minutes, regardless of the account type. If you see a video on YouTube that's longer than 10 minutes, it's probably owned by one of our content partners. There are also some users who can upload longer videos because they were given this permission before the feature was removed.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Aamir

The YouTube Team

and here is what I sent back:

YouTube support,

 

Your statement is incorrect and not factual, I am sorry. The rules are not the same for everyone. If you simply search through the videos loaded less than 2 days ago, by people with regular accounts, not "content partners", there are many that do not meet your supposed "rule" for length or size.

 

As for "Content Partners", please explain what they are and how to become one. How much does one need to "pay" to become a "content partner" if anything or is it based on what the content of your material is? And as for your statement that the "rule" applies to everyone is also not correct, your own statement proves that, " There are also some users who can upload longer videos because they were given this permission before the feature was removed." That in itself shows that the rules are not for everyone.

 

I would like the contact information for your supervisor or manager (or the next level of support) please. I do not feel that I am getting the satisfactory answers and wish to speak with someone who can explain this situation better.

 

Respectfully,

 

********  **********

Now I will wait and see what I get back.

on Jun 20, 2007

Your statement is incorrect and not factual, I am sorry. The rules are not the same for everyone. If you simply search through the videos loaded less than 2 days ago, by people with regular accounts, not "content partners", there are many that do not meet your supposed "rule" for length or size.

As for "Content Partners", please explain what they are and how to become one. How much does one need to "pay" to become a "content partner"

You are hardly in a position to determine whether a statement is incorrect when you yourself indicate you do not know what a 'content partner' is.

Amateur Lawyers need not apply....

In the meantime I'll continue my lucrative sales of tin hats to conspiracy theorists....

Your size?

on Jun 20, 2007
If you don't know what something is, take about five minutes, google it, and find out.

It took about thirty seconds of googling to find out that a "Content Partner" is one who has popular enough videos with enough views that YouTube has approached them and said, "If you want to earn some of the money we make off the ads to the side of your video, let us know and we'll tailor the ads to the side to earn us both some more money." That's why they get special privileges - they make YouTube money.

You must not, or they would actually care about what you're saying. And guess what? There's no way to tell which users are actually "Content Partners." Now you know you're not.

To use Brad's own logic that he's used so often on this site, if you don't like the free ice cream (and YouTube is free) then go away.
on Jun 20, 2007
See, this is a Content Partner. Why? Because they can get at least one hundred thousand viewers to most of their videos, with Gorgeous Tiny Chicken Machine Show having over one million views. That's the difference between them and you - your most viewed video is still a tad shy of 10,000. Theirs is just a tad shy of 1,700,000.

And that's why your situation holds a lot less weight. Not because of content, because you don't swing as many viewers and make them money.
on Jun 20, 2007

If you don't know what something is, take about five minutes, google it, and find out.

It took about thirty seconds of googling to find out that a "Content Partner" is

Yes, but that would ruin a ripping yarn of a conspiracy, now wouldn't it?....

on Jun 20, 2007

Yes, but that would ruin a ripping yarn of a conspiracy, now wouldn't it?....

Your the one using the conspiracy word. I never brought that up at all. And the whole point of the article was to point out the difference in treatment of one person verses another when you have "rules". Guess you missed the entire point. Guess you need to go back to school and learn to read for comprehension as well as content.

Since YouTube is owned by Google, and Googles stance onmany things has already been demonstrated that is another point to the experiment.

How much you making in the tin hat sales to the 911 conspiracy nuts?

on Jun 20, 2007
And the whole point of the article was to point out the difference in treatment of one person verses another when you have "rules".
I don't think you communicated your initial point very well then or in your subsequent replies.

The apparent point was "Is YouTube Anti-American Government or Anti-Military??"  You cannot seriously claim now that your point was that YouTube is [generally] unfair.

I think the point now is that you didn't know all the rules or that the tech you spoke to doesn't know all the rules.

Zubaz shrugs 
on Jun 20, 2007

How much you making in the tin hat sales to the 911 conspiracy nuts?

That all depends on what you yourself are willing to pay for YOUR order...

My comprehension's pretty good really....I picked up on the reference to the name 'Aamir' as causative, and on the reference to 'anti-US' and 'not pro-US'.

Now, whether that can be called 'conspiratorial' or just 'slanted/discriminatory' is a matter of semantics.

I personally think it's a lot of pissing into the wind....but on the other hand there's Google.....and we ALL know they're the spawn of the devil.....

on Jun 20, 2007
It always works the same, WC or YT or whatever place.

Being "useful" gets you perks others normally can't. I won't say I agree with it, but still, all this rant for 10+ min videos? You could split them and save a lot more agony in editing.

At least YT doesn't ask for money for video ratings
on Jun 20, 2007
I don't think you communicated your initial point very well then or in your subsequent replies.


You certainly had no luck communicating your supposed point:

And the whole point of the article was to point out the difference in treatment of one person verses another when you have "rules".


To answer your supposed point, of course there's a difference. Like I stated, you don't earn YouTube money for your videos, "Content Partners" do. So you get different treatment. Of course you get different treatment. You occupy space on some server in Bangladesh - "Content Partners" increase revenue.
on Jun 21, 2007

"One non-American's view...like it or not."

I think most of the world is a little tired of Americans wanting everything to be pro-US. Time to get out and see the real world I'm afraid There are two realities: the real world, and the little comfort zone created to make Americans feel safe. You misunderstood how a site works and from that you created a 'convenient' anti-US conspiracy. Talk about left field thinking - nice job! Anti-US - no, but you set the tone of the original post.

Making a case out of an incorrectly perceived injustice and making an inaccurate guess as to probable nationality from someone's name (Aamir is muslim in origin btw, but the person could be living anywhere) doesn't help your case. Perhaps a little more fact finding is advisable before making a public statement

Now, how does one obtain one of these 'tin hat' contraptions everyone is on about?

on Jun 21, 2007
Who framed Roger Rabbit?  
on Jun 22, 2007
Well checking with several people who have the ability to upload larger files, I was told that there are no set rules, you just needed a directors account (which I have). Most said they did nothing to be allowed accept that. HMmm
on Jun 23, 2007
Yes, but that would ruin a ripping yarn of a conspiracy,


Tut tut, Jafo, now you should know better than to use the conspiracy word here....being the last "conspiracy" thread in this section got seriously Pirated.
on Jun 23, 2007
I have not used that word, only reposnders.. SO guess they are the ones looking that way.
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