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Who really is behind it.
Published on October 16, 2004 By ShadowWar In Democrat
There has been a lot of talk recently, even TV adds on MTV and other youth target media on President Bush bringing back the draft if he is elected. SO I thought that was rather silly but hey I thoght I should check it out.

First thing was the debate the other night. President Bush was asked about the draft and he flatly said, he was not going to re-institute the draft. But of course that was not enough for those looking to use this scare tactic. So then the rumor came out that there was a bill in the congress to re-instate the draft. What were they thinking??? Trying to bring back the draft?? Those crazy Republicans had no idea how much that idea could hurt them so much. Who in their right mind would do this to their candidate just before an election? I thought I was going to have to find these Republican Congressmen and talk them into some common sense.

A draft would hurt the military, not help it. Having been a Sgt. In the Army I can say you don't want men and women who don't want to be there. Thats what a draft gives you, people who don't want to be there. In addition it hurts the civilian population by taking those men and women in situations that need at home.

SO I thought let me find out who this idiot Repub guy was and send them a blasting e-mail. So I fired up the search engine and what did I find? It was a Democratic Rep. that sponsored the bill!!!!!!! Thats right after all the talk about the Rep. President bringing back the draft it was a Democrate Rep. that put the bill in!! Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y was the one. Then I found that the Republican Congress forced a vote on it to put it to rest. The vote was a whopping 402-2 against the draft. So its dead!

And most people do not realize that the President can not bring back the draft. The Congress has to vote it in and then he can sign it. So it was a Democrate that tried to sneak a Draft bill in and it was soundly defeated by the House and Senate. Well I guess maybe the Repubs should now post a TV add that says, you worried about the draft? Talk to your local Dem. Rep.

Shame on all those TV ads and radio ads and MTV for lying to our young people. I hate to tell you they are not as stupid as you think they are. They have access and are better at checking things than most older people. You mislead our young people and you will send them to the other side.

So here you go folks:

1. There is no draft
2. President Bush has said he does not want a draft.
3. The military does not want a draft.
4. The Democrates sponored a bill to start the draft back up.
5. It was soundly defeated 402-2.

What part of "there is no plan for a draft" do you not get? Our young people should raise a stink about being misled by MTV and the other TV and Radio ads. Or maybe just make them pay in the voting booth.

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on Oct 16, 2004
I'm surprised it took you this long to figure this out, ShadowWar.

Good article here: Link

greywar and I have been talking about this for some time now...
on Oct 16, 2004
this is just one of the things that is really pissing me off about Kerry....I read in the news the other day (yesterday, i think) that he is campaigning that the draft will be brought back....but he conveniently leaves out the fact that it is the Democrats that were/are pushing for it.

Nearly everyday i read the paper, it seems as though there is another "opinion" article about President Bush "bringing back the draft".....it just gets so old.....God I hope Kerry doesn't win.....
on Oct 16, 2004
I thought it was the Demacrats who was trying to bring back the draft as a scare tactic
on Oct 16, 2004

i believe the draft was proposed by a dem, simply to make a point
about the make-up of our armed forces
he knew it wasn't going anywhere

on the other hand,
if there were another terrorist event similar to 911, then what options will we have?

our fighting forces are spread thin
this is one reason you don't invade a country , start a war, until it's the last resort

"bring 'em on"
pete
on Oct 16, 2004

When you think about it, when a Republican says Kerry will do something that he obviously won't do, such as ban the Holy Bible, it's simply their way of making a point, and in no way dishonest or unethical.

on Oct 16, 2004
Yesterday in Iowa, speaking to the Des Moines Register, Kerry asserted that, under President Bush, there could be a draft, when the likelihood is, that a draft is more likely with Kerry (as indicated below). It is clear to me this is an orchestrated attempt to disenfranchise the 18 to 29 year demographic. I also believe this is in direct response to the latest Zogby poll which indicated more of this group migrating toward President Bush.

First off, the two draft bills introduced in congress were from Democrats (Rangel - House, Hollings - Senate). Secondly, Kerry has almost said that under him there would be a draft, how else will he achieve the claims he made in the debates?

>From the second debate transcript, Sen. Kerry said:
"Now, I'm going to add 40,000 active duty forces to the military...."

>From the third debate transcript, Sen. Kerry said:
"Now, I've proposed adding two active-duty divisions to the Armed Forces of the United States — one combat, one support.

In addition, I'm going to double the number of Special Forces so that we can fight a more effective war on terror, with less pressure on the National Guard and Reserve."

It certainly doesn't take a huge conceptual leap to put these two together, but no one seems to be talking about it. How is Senator Kerry going to make good on these promises?

What kind of a response is this?
When you think about it, when a Republican says Kerry will do something that he obviously won't do, such as ban the Holy Bible, it's simply their way of making a point, and in no way dishonest or unethical.

The draft nonsense put forth by the Democrat ticket is inexcusable and in defense of it you claim some un-named "Republican" said Kerry will ban the Bible? So it isn't dishonest? Take off the partisan rose colored glasses. It is both unethical and dishonset, it is designed to scare the demographic it targets and it is calculated.

Charlie Rangel proposed his draft bill because he said minorities are over represented in the armed forces (a claim not supported by the data). Not only did Mr. Rangel (D-NY) defend his position vehemently in numerous interviews, he supported it, until it was forced to a vote by the House Republicans at which time HE voted against it. IF one wants to debate this, try using substance and not the partisan talking points.
on Oct 16, 2004
our fighting forces are spread thin




- Grimilitant Xoldier
on Oct 16, 2004
When you think about it, when a Republican says Kerry will do something that he obviously won't do, such as ban the Holy Bible, it's simply their way of making a point, and in no way dishonest or unethical.


What? Lemme see that reference, Messy. And that's your best defense? Serious article, childish playground reply - how silly.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 19, 2004
*grin*

Even Bush doesn't seem sure if he wants a draft or not:

From the AFP

"Our all-volunteer army will remain an all-volunteer army," Bush began, to cheers from supporters here in Florida, the richest prize among the dozen or so states up for grabs in the November 2 election.

"My opponent seems to be willing to say almost anything he thinks will benefit him politically," he said. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army."

"And yet this week..." he continued, before suddenly realizing the gaffe and shouting: "We will have an all-volunteer army."

Hehee -- Freudian slip, Georgie?
on Oct 19, 2004
Today in Florida at a rally:

"As long as I am President there will be no draft!"

No mistaking that one..


on Oct 19, 2004
You wish. *grin*

The whole draft thing is classic strawman BS - ascribe non-existent intentions to someone then try to scare people with them. And T B is quite right - the only candidate talking about putting specific increased numbers of troops into the theater is the one pretending the other candidate will institute a draft (never mind that neither can institute a draft, only Congress).

Kerry pulled the same crap with the non-existent "privatization" of Social Security quote.

And when he can't invent a strawman, he tries to adopt one like the Sanchez quote - a quote made a only month after Kerry voted against providing those supplies. No better way I could think of to point out to everyone how wrong his vote was. Thanks for helping us better understand where you stand, Senator.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 19, 2004
Sorry - the "You wish" was directed @ Myrrander's post. ShadowWar snuck in there ahead of me.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 19, 2004
yah, I wasn't really being serious with that post...I hope y'all realized that...the quotes are real, but it was just a slip up
on Oct 19, 2004
Myrrander - we got it. Just George being George.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 19, 2004
Then I found that the Republican Congress forced a vote on it to put it to rest. The vote was a whopping 402-2 against the draft.


Who voted for it?
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