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Most people are bad drivers...
Published on January 26, 2006 By ShadowWar In Current Events

 

7 children dead. Here in North Central Florida we had another tragedy involving vehicles on our roadways, and the public is saddened and outraged (just as they should be). But most have no idea what they are talking about. And most people have no clue as to the concept they could have been the ones involved. Why? Because most people do not know or realize just how driving really works, or how hazardous it really is. Most people are fair to poor drivers at best.

 

How can I say this and what do I base it on? I am sure your asking me. Not me you say? OK answer me this without having to look it up or figure it out using a computer. How far does you vehicle go in 1 second at 70 miles per hour (normal legal highway speed)? Don’t know? How about how far does your vehicle go from the time you see a hazard to the time you start to step on the brake at 70 miles per hour? Don’t know? How about how far will your vehicle skid or take to stop (on average) once you put the brake on at 70 miles per hour? Don’t now? Don’t you think its kind of important to know not only how to drive a vehicle, but what it takes to safely drive one and stop it?

 

At 70 mph you travel about 102 feet per second. Doesn’t sound to fast? The normal person has an average reaction time of one and one half seconds. In that time your vehicle at 70 mph would travel 153 feet, while you react to something (called Reaction Distance). Then your vehicle will skid or travel another 209 feet before it stops (called Stopping Distance). Add all that up and you get 362 feet (more than a football field!) to see a hazard and stop your vehicle at 70 mph (called total Distance to Stop). How many of you follow the car in front of you less than 7 or 8 car lengths on the Interstates? 90%? 95%? When the car in front of you blows a tire, slows or stops suddenly, or some other hazard appears less than 300 feet away in front of you at that speed, guess what? Your going to be involved in a crash.

 

I worked Traffic Homicide in South Florida (Broward County) for 7 years. I investigated literally thousands of accidents and over 300 fatal car crashes. I am a published author in the field of Accident Reconstruction and a Court Certified Expert in Accident Reconstruction. I teach Traffic Homicide Investigation to other police officers now. I pulled dead kids from cars, took photos of people after they had driven their car into a pole, another car, or some other object at varying speeds and can say that the vast majority (guessing 95%+) of those accidents were preventable. People just do not know how to safely operate their vehicles. It is not that easy to stop an object that weighs thousands of pounds in the blink of an eye.

 

The recent tragedy here in North Florida involved a semi-tractor trailer. I wonder how many truck drivers know that the most they can hope to get from their brake systems is 70 percent braking efficiency.  Wonder how many know the lean angle they can safely expect based on the height of their trailer and the load placement inside?

 

My point is there is a lot more to driving a car or truck than just knowing the rules of the road and how to move it from point A to point B. Knowing the limitations and how your vehicle will act under adverse circumstances can make the difference between life and death in many instances. And of course, paying attention to what’s going on around you. Looking far enough down the road to see the hazard in time enough to stop or avoid the accident is one of the most overlooked points of driving. Most people are staring at the bumper of the car in front of them that is 10 or 15 feet away at 65 MPH. That will more than likely be the last thing they see. Want to live? Back off the car in front of you, look farther down the road, and know what your car will do if you have to take some kind of evasive action. Oh and stop talking on the cell phones, reading books and looking at your new GPS direction system. Pay attention, or you may be the next body we pull from the wreckage.



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on Jan 26, 2006
Everything about this makes me sick.

Why was a 15 year old driving? What lead to the semi hitting the car?

From the info I read, they had just dropped of an 8th person and now the grandfather has died at hearing the news. This is just tragic.
on Jan 26, 2006
OK, first yes a 15 year old was driving. She should not have been without an adult, but she did not contribute to the crash as far as I have been told. She was stopped waiting for the School bus, as she should have been, which had stopped and the flashing lights were on. The Semi did not even put on his brakes. Only one of two things could have caused this, driver error or illness, or brake failure. I will venture to wager its driver error. Just from experience.
on Jan 26, 2006

Shadowwar,

You have given great examples on how to drive carefully.
Sadly we all know these facts since we all took standardized tests when getting our licenses.

I think the problem lies further south that most people just don't care how they drive because a lot of people our looking out for themself when driving and don't think how their actions impact others.

I'm curious though, from your background, what were the stats on the people who cause major accidents?
on Jan 26, 2006
I will venture to wager its driver error. Just from experience.


I wouldn't bet against you on that. I guess I am just bugged that a kid with little driving experience was put in charge of so many little ones. I know that the semi driver will more than likely be at fault and as the aunt has said in an interview if an adult had been in the car that would have just made the death toll 8 instead of 7. I am just bugged.

I see so many parents with kids crawling around the car unbelted. I see babies on parents lap in the front seat. I wan't to get out of the car and beat those parents. If this girl was in a car there was no way she could have safely had 8 people in that car (7 at the time of the accident) especially considering one was 3yrs and another was 20 months. They would have had to have been in a car seat.

Do you know the make of the car she was driving? I can't seem to find anything more than Pontiac.
on Jan 26, 2006

Unfortunately, we have a lot of really bad drivers driving semis.  I see them every day.  I drive 90 miles a day, and not a day goes by that I don't see a semi either doing something completely illegal or completely stupid.  Just this morning I almost got rear ended by a semi that was going faster than I was.  I was on cruise control at 70mph (expressway speed limit).  Trucks have a speed limit of 55 mph. 

I have seen *numerous* people run off the roads by semis, and at least once a week I see one over turned on the side of the road.

Now, they aren't the only ones that drive like idiots, but they are the most deadly.  I find the bimbos driving the large SUVs at 80 mph while talking on their cell phone pretty deadly, too.  I am sure that they have a much longer than 1.5 second reaction time.

I drive like everyone is trying to kill me, and I am always looking for escape routes.  I also drive a moderate speed and do *not* use a cell phone while driving, nor do I eat while driving (or put on make up, read a paper, look at a map, etc....)  I also have spent some time at the drag strip practicing my reaction times.

on Jan 26, 2006

This is one subject where years of playing video games gave my husband an advantage.  His reaction time is really fast.  I still think he drives much faster than he should but I would venture to bet most women feel that way about their husbands. 

I am aware that my reaction time is slower so I tend to drive slower and pay more attention to everything.  I agree with Karma, I drive as if everyone on the road is out to kill me.  Old men in Lincoln Town cars and the bimbos in SUVs that Karma mentioned are huge threats.  Teens with a car full of friends is another huge threat.  They combine inexperience with massive amounts of distraction to make a deadly combination.

That leads me to this particular incident.  There is no way a 15yr old could handle the distractions of a car load of young children.  A more experienced driver would probably have been able to find a way to get out of the semi's way (I say probably because I am not privy to all of the details). 

on Jan 26, 2006
The sad fact is, it is unrealistic to think that we can have 7-8 seconds between vehicles on the freeway. In fact, most of what we would have to do to make an improvement in driver safety isn't feasible.

However, you make some great points here. While making driving a safe activity is unrealistic, there are many realistic things we can do. Paying attention to what is going on around us would be the most important. Knowing that it will take 300 feet for my car to stop probably won't make a difference one way or another, but knowing a hazard is coming up in the half mile (because I was paying attention) will.
on Jan 26, 2006

I'm curious though, from your background, what were the stats on the people who cause major accidents?

What are you asking for? Like that 38% of all pedestrian accidents the pedestrian is drunk?  (Florida stat only). What are you looking for?

on Jan 26, 2006

I see so many parents with kids crawling around the car unbelted. I see babies on parents lap in the front seat. I wan't to get out of the car and beat those parents. If this girl was in a car there was no way she could have safely had 8 people in that car (7 at the time of the accident) especially considering one was 3yrs and another was 20 months. They would have had to have been in a car seat.

You are completly correct. One of my vary favorite tickets to write is the Child Restraint ticket. Its over $200 bucks here in Fla.  I agree that there was no way to have those kids properly seated. Thing is, and I put this out there for thought only, it would not have made any difference. The vehicle the kids were is was sitting still, and burst into flames on impact. Just food for thought.

on Jan 26, 2006

That leads me to this particular incident. There is no way a 15yr old could handle the distractions of a car load of young children. A more experienced driver would probably have been able to find a way to get out of the semi's way (I say probably because I am not privy to all of the details).

Thats very possible, given with that many kids in the car an older driver would have been able to pay enough attention to the rearview and have the time to get out of the way. With my 1 kid in the car at times, I have trouble concentrating.  

on Jan 26, 2006
Thing is, and I put this out there for thought only, it would not have made any difference. The vehicle the kids were is was sitting still, and burst into flames on impact. Just food for thought.


I totally get that. Contrary to your point though... statistically this was an accident waiting to happen.
on Jan 26, 2006
With my 1 kid in the car at times, I have trouble concentrating.


I know what you mean and that is why I say there is no way that a 15yr old with no experience and a car load of small children could have the concentration that they should have had in order to operated a vehicle.

I have to admit one thing though, when I saw on the news the caption '7 Children Dead' along with the picture of a school bus off the road, I was a bit relieved that the deaths occurred in the private vehicle rather than the bus. Parents around here are paranoid enough about school buses. Something like that would be enough to have a majority of parents pull their kids off the buses and then the parking and driving situation at the school would become a nightmare and bus drivers would be out of jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was a horrific accident and am sick to death for the family of those kids.
on Jan 27, 2006
You are completly correct. One of my vary favorite tickets to write is the Child Restraint ticket. Its over $200 bucks here in Fla. I agree that there was no way to have those kids properly seated. Thing is, and I put this out there for thought only, it would not have made any difference. The vehicle the kids were is was sitting still, and burst into flames on impact. Just food for thought.


I remember more than a few time when a police officer would come into my ambulance and hand me the "no child restraints" ticket to add to the patient's (when my patient was the driver) personal affects. Didn't bother me one little bit!! ;~D

I'm not for helmet laws or seat belt laws for adults (I mean, we all have a right to be idiots, right?), but to not put kids in a car seat, or make sure they stay buckled up is just plain lazy. Kid's shouldn't have to pay for our laziness.
on Jan 27, 2006
Unfortunately, we have a lot of really bad drivers driving semis. I see them every day. I drive 90 miles a day, and not a day goes by that I don't see a semi either doing something completely illegal or completely stupid. Just this morning I almost got rear ended by a semi that was going faster than I was. I was on cruise control at 70mph (expressway speed limit). Trucks have a speed limit of 55 mph.


My Sister and BIL drive the 18 wheelers. And your outrage is nothing compared to theirs. They have been driving for over 30 years now (he for over 40) and never a mishap. Because they know their business and do it well. They cannot stand the jerks like this guy was. It taints them as well.
on Jan 27, 2006

UPDATE:

Earlier Thursday, the criminal and driving records of the 31-year-old driver of the Crete Carrier Corp. tractor-trailer started coming to light.

According to police records, the driver, Alvin E. Wilkerson of Jacksonville, was arrested in 1997 in connection with the kidnapping and murder of a toddler. Jacksonville Sheriff's Office charged Wilkerson with being an accessory to a murder after the fact for renting a room in a Jacksonville Motel 8 for Jason Stephens, who was convicted of murdering 3-year-old Robert Sparrow in 1997, according to arrest reports.

Court records show that prosecutors ultimately dropped the charge connecting Wilkerson to the kidnapping and murder.

He also was arrested in 1999 for soliciting prostitution, among other charges. Details of those cases were not available Thursday night.

Wilkerson also has a history of traffic violations, from displaying a revoked or suspended driver's license to speeding, according to Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles records.
Police say Wilkerson on Wednesday failed to stop and crashed into a 1993 Pontiac Bonneville carrying the seven children, who ranged in age from 20 months to 15 years. Lt. Mike Burroughs of the Florida Highway Patrol said troopers estimated Wilkerson's speed at 55 or 60 mph, close to the posted speed limit of 60 mph.

At a noon news conference Thursday in Lake Butler, FHP's Lt. William Leeper said it may be several weeks before charges are filed against Wilkerson. He said officials must await results of toxicology tests and the investigation and consult with the State Attorney's Office before charges can be filed.
ALSO to add to the tragedy as if it was not enough already:

A few hours later another death in the same family was attributed to the emotional stress caused by the accident.

William Edward Scott, 62, of Hawthorne, the grandfather of some of the children who died, died of a heart attack while at the home of Barbara Mann, one of his two daughters. Barbara Mann is the stepmother or adoptive mother of five of the seven children who were killed.

Union County Under Sheriff Capt. Garry Seay said Scott collapsed about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday or midnight. He was taken to the Lake Butler Hospital Hand Surgery Center, where he was pronounced dead.

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