That pretty well says it.

You see I realize what you do you do out of fear, fear of the United States of America. Fear of the awesome people and influence that the U.S.A. has

Hit the nail on the head right their mate...

I mean, to have people that are scared of you, so scared of you and what your country will do, that they take their own lives!!!!

get a clue.

BAM!!!

Hey Mate,

As you of course misquote out of context, the blowing up part they do becuase they have no other means to try to do their damage. But hey let them blow themselves up, we will run out of these criminals long before they run out of us..

One of the problems is of course that the attitude you are displaying is one of the reasons these people insist on blowing themselves up in the first place.

Sorry you have no future, if you had put your efforts towards becoming a productive instead of destructive human, you might have had a decent life, a future.

Has it ever occured to you that these people might feel America is responsible for them having no future, and that fighting America is the most constructive way to improve that future? Why is them blowing up things and people in America destructive, when the war in Iraq is a rebuilding project? It's all a matter of perspective.

It is black & white thinking that has put us in this situation, black & white on BOTH sides. Your article is a perfect example of it.

Shadow, I think it is you that has the whole 'fear' concept out of context...

You acknowledge it, yet your reaction is to crush them...

I bid you good day.

BAM!!!

Frankly, Shadow War, your letter disgusts me. If it were just blatant American patriotism (considered revolting and displaced by many people in the world outside of America - believe it or not), it would be permissible. However, your ignorance into true state of affairs combined with your inability to see things on a humanitarian level, truly arouses indignation.

One of the problems is of course that the attitude you are displaying is one of the reasons these people insist on blowing themselves up in the first place.

Because I am not afraid thats why they blow themselves up?? Now that makes sense.

Has it ever occured to you that these people might feel America is responsible for them having no future

Thats like saying I blame Iraq for the high price of gas. Instead of putting the energy into making a better life for themselves they become destructive, ya thats the ticket to a better life.

Shadow, I think it is you that has the whole 'fear' concept out of context...You acknowledge it, yet your reaction is to crush them...I bid you good day.BAM!!!

No actually my reaction is not to bother them UNTIL they bother me, live and let live, but when they fail to do that I will not lay down like a sheep to be killed. I will fight to defend my own. You would let someone walk into your home and kill your family and say "oh they are just troubled" and let them get away with it?? I think not.

Frankly, Shadow War, your letter disgusts me.

You don't get it do you, I don't care if your disgusted, that just means you don't understand me or why I feel the way I do.

If it were just blatant American patriotism (considered revolting and displaced by many people in the world outside of America - believe it or not), it would be permissible

Why do they consider it revolting? Because its American? Thats revolting to me.

However, your ignorance into true state of affairs combined with your inability to see things on a humanitarian level, truly arouses indignation.

Actually I am not ignorant, quite smart actually, and I am fully aware of the state of affairs, I also refuse to be misled by the main stream press and make up my own mind. As for humanitarian level, give me a break, they want a better life, work for it, they want to be left alone? Then leave us alone. They want to make a point? Do an interview on TV lots of press to take thier side I am sure, no need to kill to get a point across....

No actually my reaction is not to bother them UNTIL they bother me, live and let live, but when they fail to do that I will not lay down like a sheep to be killed. I will fight to defend my own. You would let someone walk into your home and kill your family and say "oh they are just troubled" and let them get away with it?? I think not.

Have they killed your family mate?

Can you please define what you mean bt 'left alone'?

can you define 'live and let live'?

You seem to forget that not everyone see's the world through your eyes... they have not lived a good life like you, just because they were born some place else... I assume your gripe is with the actions of a small few, however insane these small few may be, there are justified concerns about the way America is perceived around the world.

You are not doing a good job of improving that perception, however, I bet that you dont care.

good for you.

BAM!!!

Warning - Parental discretion is advised. The following contains scenes of mature subject matter, not sex but mature thought. Arrogant people of the world, have your mothers turn off the computer now please.



"Why do they consider it revolting? Because its American? Thats revolting to me"

Non - american people don't find your patriotism revolting because it's American, they find it revolting because it's arrogant. Do you really believe that a society filled with capitolism's finest examples of the worst behaviors of humanity is the best or only way for the rest of the world to live?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "freedom" or whatever you call your way of life today, however I'd like to suggest that America fix America's problems before trying to "fix" everyone else's. I'm a Canadian, I'm not racist, elitist, or (most days) anti-American, but you are going to have to forgive me if I feel that America looks out for number one, and that's it's issue. Every man out for himself that's the american way. You take what you want if you don't have it, there is only yourself to blame - that's the american dream. It all looks good on paper, but the reality of the situation reveals that america has no more freedom than Iraq, the country you've just assimilated.

There are no situations that existed in Iraq that do not exists within your own borders. Poverty: you see him everyday asking for change; Malnutrition: you've had programs in schools for a decade or so feeding children daily, and yet the situation persists; Endentured service: do you honestly believe minimum wage is an acceptable pay rate?; Lack of education: America has the honor of offering a k-12 education to EVERYONE who is an american citizen, and yet how many teenagers drop out of high school, and continue on to do nothing with thier lives?; Dictatorship: the only difference between your leader, and the former Iraqi leader is the fact YOU were goaded into voting for him, the ex-leader of Iraq followed the American dream and took what he wanted, and because he had a different opinion (wether it was right or wrong is simply conjuncture), you felt he was wrong and stopped listening to everyone else who disagreed with you. The only difference between Iraq and the US is that the United States CHOOSES to live with the situations they have created. Iraqi people were forced into the situations by thier 2 dictators, Hussein and Bush

As you should know the rest of the UN is dedicated to keeping the peace in the world, how we ever let you invade a country is beyond me, and for that I feel disgraced for standing by passively. You feel that because you have the largest weapons that you need to use them. But obviously that's ok, because you're a war based society, everything you don't like is fair game to be declared war on: the war on drugs, the war on aids, the war on Iraq.

Is it too difficult to understand that you MIGHT not be right, your opponents MIGHT not be wrong? That EVERY other country who refused to assist your illegal invasion of Iraq might be justified.


"Why do they consider it revolting? Because its American?"
Because the oppressive nation that you are is no better than the dicated political states you fight to exterminate.

Shadow War, noone is attacking American patriotism 'just because it's American', because that would be stupid. As Hallowed said, the sheer arrogance of some Americans' attitudes (yours included, it seems), is what makes it 'revolting'. Like Hallowed, I am not a racist nor an elitist, and I don't limit myself by applying labels such as 'I'm an American' to myself and others (btw, I'm not an American, for the record), as this would probably lead to the unfortunate demise such as you yourself experience, ie, tunnel vision. When a person applies such labels to themself and others, then automatically feelings of superiority will exist -- and as we are all human, and have the same vices deep down, we'd just be kidding ourselves to think we are better than others. America citizens are certainly lucky in some respects, but the statement you made that terrorists are just envious of America and Americans, has to be completely false in reality. Don't kid yourself by thinking a poor person in America is stlil better off than a poor person in Iraq (as you obviously believe), because it's just not true. Maybe you should become voluntarily destitute for awhile, and see how you feel about yourself then, and then ask whether being an American is all you make it out to be. I think not.
I could go on forever, because there's really no end to this discussion... but then again, firstly you purport not to care what anyone thinks (why post your article in a forum space then?), and secondly, you are so far gone that you can't even consider another point of view.
Anyway, well said Hallowed (above comment).
Btw, I was thinking that the 'god-bless-america with hand over heart' mentality kind of sums up your attitude, Shadow, and I just read one of your other articles before, and 'god bless america' is something you like to say a lot...... Funny that. No offense intended.

that was the most lame attempt I've seen EVER! Lmao. While you say you won't let your kids be scared you're saying you're scared enough to make sure your kids aren't scared enough to make a silly fear-induced thread extolling the long-gone virtues of old America. Go sit on your Patriot Act and give your kids a Koran.

Have they killed your family mate?Can you please define what you mean bt 'left alone'?can you define 'live and let live'?You seem to forget that not everyone see's the world through your eyes... they have not lived a good life like you, just because they were born some place else... I assume your gripe is with the actions of a small few, however insane these small few may be, there are justified concerns about the way America is perceived around the world.You are not doing a good job of improving that perception, however, I bet that you dont care.good for you.BAM!!!

Yes they have killed AMericans, that is my family...

Left alone = defined as leave one to ones self..hmm thought that was an easy one..

Having a point of view like theres is fine, its when they turn to murdering my fellow countrymen I have problem.

Im not doing a good job because you dont want to listen, only hate Americans, no matter what they say, no matter what...

Non - american people don't find your patriotism revolting because it's American, they find it revolting because it's arrogant. Do you really believe that a society filled with capitolism's finest examples of the worst behaviors of humanity is the best or only way for the rest of the world to live?

"Capitalism's finest examples of the worst behaviors'? You mean murdering Americans is a good example an justified because you don't like they way my country does something or the way I live??? Hmmmm sounds logical.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "freedom" or whatever you call your way of life today, however I'd like to suggest that America fix America's problems before trying to "fix" everyone else's. I'm a Canadian, I'm not racist, elitist, or (most days) anti-American, but you are going to have to forgive me if I feel that America looks out for number one, and that's it's issue. Every man out for himself that's the american way. You take what you want if you don't have it, there is only yourself to blame - that's the american dream. It all looks good on paper, but the reality of the situation reveals that america has no more freedom than Iraq, the country you've just assimilated.

HELLOOOO who's problems are we trying to fix, you call trying to rid ourselves of people who have murdered Americans is fixing someone elses problems? OK I get we should look out for the rest of the world first then our own?? What person in their right mind (thats a debateable issue) would want their country to worry about the rest of the world first? Someone attacked the US, we are now fixing that. Whats wrong with that? We have no more freedom than Iraq??? Where are you living and what rock did you just crawl out from?? We assimilated Iraq?? WE DON'T WANT IRAQ!! Wake up!! We would love to have nothing ever to do with Iraq again, we just will not permit those who would do so to kill us without penalty.

Quoted and comments - There are no situations that existed in Iraq that do not exists within your own borders. Poverty: you see him everyday asking for change; American Poverty is nothing of the scope or scale as it is there in Iraq. Period. Malnutrition: you've had programs in schools for a decade or so feeding children daily, and yet the situation persists; Hellooo most Americans are FAT, not malnurished. We have just the opposite problem, most Americans eat to much and are fat slobs. Endentured service: do you honestly believe minimum wage is an acceptable pay rate?; No but at least they can work and do get payed. Its better than the alternative, no job and what that brings with it. Lack of education: America has the honor of offering a k-12 education to EVERYONE who is an american citizen, and yet how many teenagers drop out of high school, and continue on to do nothing with thier lives?; But you say just the point, every AMerican has the ability to go to school. Most Iraq children did not. Especially the girls. What people choose to do with that offer is up to them and if they squander it, thats another story.Dictatorship: the only difference between your leader, and the former Iraqi leader is the fact YOU were goaded into voting for him, the ex-leader of Iraq followed the American dream and took what he wanted, and because he had a different opinion (wether it was right or wrong is simply conjuncture), you felt he was wrong and stopped listening to everyone else who disagreed with you. The only difference between Iraq and the US is that the United States CHOOSES to live with the situations they have created. Iraqi people were forced into the situations by thier 2 dictators, Hussein and Bush you give yourself away here, I finally see it clearly. You don't dislike Americans, your a BUSH hater, pure and simple. Just because he does something, You don't like it. BUSH is not a dictator, he was elected, he can be replaced, dictators can not. Bush doesn't use poison gas on his citizens thats a slight difference also you forgot about. Stop hating one man and letting your hate spread to the rest of us Americans.

Quoted and comments - As you should know the rest of the UN is dedicated to keeping the peace in the world, You mean the Un-united Nations?? ya now there is an organization that does a lot of good when it comes to stopping the killing in Iraq. how we ever let you invade a country is beyond me, YOU didn't let us do anything, you had nothing to do with it, that is the problem. and for that I feel disgraced for standing by passively. You should be. You feel that because you have the largest weapons that you need to use them. But obviously that's ok, because you're a war based society, everything you don't like is fair game to be declared war on: the war on drugs, the war on aids, the war on Iraq. You have to be kidding!!?!? You compare the war on aids to Iraq? We don't shoot the people with Aids you goof... We try to give them medicine. Last time I checked the war on drugs didn't involve rocket propelled grenades and be-headings... Kind of slightly different things don't ya think?? Stop hating America because its America. Oh and stop driving so bad when you visit..

the sheer arrogance of some Americans' attitudes (yours included, it seems), is what makes it 'revolting'.

Oh now I am arrogant to voice my opinion. Its only arrogant because you don't like it. Its only revolting to someone who refuses to view things from my perspective. Thats fine.

I don't limit myself by applying labels such as 'I'm an American' to myself and others (btw, I'm not an American, for the record),

I never would have guessed..

(why post your article in a forum space then?), and secondly, you are so far gone that you can't even consider another point of view.

Oh but I am venting, and I do consider other views, is the mere fact I read yours and respond, hence an exchange of views.

Btw, I was thinking that the 'god-bless-america with hand over heart' mentality kind of sums up your attitude, Shadow, and I just read one of your other articles before, and 'god bless america' is something you like to say a lot...... Funny that. No offense intended.

Yes your right, that is my attitude, and religious belief. I do say it a lot, and thank GOD every day that I live in America and am American. I am glad you don't have a problem with that, thats very big of you to allow me to feel that way. Thanks.

mikimouse = not worth bothering to answer..

them's fighting words Shadow. Guess I see where you get that closed mindedness from. Shadow = blogversion of the bubonic-blog plague. Another opinion gone. *swoosh*<---the sound of air taking the place of brain cells which happened to revolt and escape.

Reply By: mikimousePosted: Tuesday, June 08, 2004them's fighting words Shadow. Guess I see where you get that closed mindedness from. Shadow = blogversion of the bubonic-blog plague. Another opinion gone. *swoosh*<---the sound of air taking the place of brain cells which happened to revolt and escape.

Don't mistake closed mindedness with refusing to have an intellectual discussion with an unarmed person. Make comments worth replying to, even if I disagree, and I'll be happy to answer you.

Go sit on your Patriot Act and give your kids a Koran

Hmmmmm no not worth an answer..

Oh by the way its "Quran" I think you meant. The Qur'an ("Qor-Ann") is a Message from Allah to humanity. The muslim holy book. Koran is a english slang term I believe. Any Muslims out there tell us the correct term for your holy book?? Now I am curious. Or maybe its both and I stand corrected.