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Published on June 23, 2004 By ShadowWar In Current Events
Islamic teachings, history suggest it’s not quite so peaceful

Every day, I feel bombarded by someone telling me Islam is not the violent, hate-filled religion it seems to be but, instead, the religion of peace.
I don’t see how anyone logically could say Islam is a religion of peace. The terrorists who attacked this nation on Sept. 11, 2001, were Islamic fundamentalists, terrorists following the teachings of the Quran and doing Allah’s bidding in bringing down the great Satan.

Islamic leaders have pushed forth the notion that every good Muslim must fight and destroy the non-believers.

The Quran makes it very clear Muslims “must” present non-Muslims with only three choices: conversion, submission to second-class status under Islamic rule or death.

The problem is not strictly the directive to convert or kill non-believers, but instead the degree to which it is carried out. Islam is not the religion of peace it claims to be. It instead appears - through the actions of its followers - to be a religion of intolerance and violence toward non-believers.

We only need to go back to recent history to understand Islam’s widely reported “peaceful teachings” are most often “misunderstood” by its most fundamental followers.

In the early 1990s, the United States sent peacekeeping troops to Somalia on a mercy mission to stop starvation in the region. Instead, local Muslims fought the non-believers for their offense of being non-Muslim.

Why do you think that every time we pressured Saddam Hussein, he appealed to his Islamic brothers to come to his aid in the name of Jihad? Because strictly implying that any action against any Muslim is an attack on their religion is a simple, easy way to get support.

Like clockwork, protest in the Muslim world would erupt. Soon on CNN, you would see President Clinton - back when he was president and believed Saddam was bad - or Bush burning in effigy next to a flaming, American flag and 10,000 Muslims dancing and chanting “Death to America” in the name of Allah.

How peaceful.

It would seem the religion of “peace” and “tolerance” would be for co-existence and getting along with your neighbors. Instead, the Palestinians have made it clear they can’t live side-by-side in peace with non-believers. And the only answer for that region is going to be the extermination of Israel - the death of every man, woman and child in Israel is the only road to peace.

In the name of Allah, suicide bombers are martyrs to be rewarded with paradise and virgins. This is not the exception to the rule in Islam. It is the doctrine of extermination of non-Muslims.

When people speak of Islam as a religion of radicalism and intolerance, they are told the religion is misrepresented and misunderstood. The problem is not a public relations issue. It is an indoctrination issue.

Everywhere but in the modernized world, where its teaching are much more moderate, young Muslims are taught in school that all non-Muslims should be killed in the same way we are taught that we need to be compassionate to those different from us.

The solution is not to deny the problem as the Muslims of the world have done, but to accept, educate and change it.


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on Jun 23, 2004
Everywhere but in the modernized world, where its teaching are much more moderate, young Muslims are taught in school that all non-Muslims should be killed in the same way we are taught that we need to be compassionate to those different from us.


You are very naive to believe that young Muslims are fortunate enough to go to school... no one denies young mulims are preached hatred, but this doesn't happen at schools... it happens in some of the poorest communities in the world, where there are no schools.

I think I will just laugh at your notion that Islam is violent... hahahaha.

Ever heard of the Crusades?

Please get over the fact that this war is religious... It's basically a bunch of fanatics claiming it is in the name of Allah... trust me... Allah would be frowning upon this at the card table next to God and Buddha and the rest of the deity club. Attitudes like yours encouraging the religious element does nothing but ostracise the entire Muslim community... not a smart move.

BAM!!!
on Jun 23, 2004
I would just add that you consider such racist hate groups in the present day as the Ku Klux Klan and the John Birch Society, both of which advocate racial and religious hatred against Blacks, the Jewish, and Immigrants. Hate knows know religious base. Consider the song "Winchester Cathedral" by Crosby, Stills and Nash who sing:
Too many people have died in the name of Christ for anyone to heed the call." Hate knows no racial bounds, nor religious, nor social.....
on Jun 23, 2004
Its my right to say and feel as I do and I appreciate you understanding that. If I want to hate I can, I did not say I am going out and harming anyone. That would be wrong, but hate is just a feeling, until its acted on. Which I don't tend to do. I am tired of the "lets just love one another" movement. All people are not good, not everyone has good in them, and I am allowed to hate if I like. I am sure if you were honest with yourself, which I don't expect you to do, you hate something, be it a person, a food, a TV show or even me. At least I am honest enough to admit it. To hate is one thing, to act on that hate to harm another is something different.
on Jun 23, 2004
If you look at the old Testament in a literalist way we might be pretty brutal too. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" and all that. Much of Islam is funtioning just as it was in the 7th century AD.

The problem with Islam is that it is unchangeable by commandment. They don't believe that the written work is reliable, the true "word" is recited by memory and passed down. The written word is secondary. This leaves the most important figures in Islam with the ability to directly recite and interperate scripture. What you have on your book shelf is authoritative, but takes second place to what is in the mind of the elder religious leaders.

The true authority lies in the literalist interpretation of a book from the Dark Ages. Christianity has embraced moderation and updated interpretation over the last 400 years. Islam has only recently seen any moderation and if you moderate you face orders of execution from the vast majority of Muslims.

To sum up, I would say that 5% or so of Islam is peaceful, and the rest is still functioning in the beheading, lop-off-your-hand fashion it has enjoyed since Muhammad. IF Christianity was still functioning as it was in the year 640 AD, we'd be barbaric, too.

They either need to update, or find a way to make their beliefs jive with modern international law.
on Jun 25, 2004
What I've noticed is that it's wrong to call Islam a violent religion, even if Islam had a violent past and violent scripture, but it's all right to call Christianity a violent religion, because it had a violent past and violent scripture.
on Jun 25, 2004
Christian violence is an oxymoron even. The true practice of Christanity wouldn't allow much (any?) violence. Violence is *mandated* by literalist Islam. They didn't come up with the idea of beheadings and amputations as punishments in the last few years. Look at what happens to criminals in Saudi Arabia. You grow up witnessing people being mutilated and beheaded, and it is probably much easier to mutilate and behead people when you want to make a point.

Islam *could* be a peaceful religion, if it were open to reformation. Reformation is heresy in Islam though, not unlike it was in Catholocism in the Middle Ages. You can't even question out loud, much less reform.

Granted, there is a lot of moderate Islam in the West, but it really isn't the problem, is it?
on Jun 25, 2004
on Jun 25, 2004
I am french, and i can affirm that muslims are very friendly, ISLAM is a peaceful religion , BUSH is the only extremist. Muslims and french are the best PEACE AND LOVE MY FRIENDS
on Jun 27, 2004
Your French?? That explains your point of view. French are ... well never mind. Thanks for standing up to the Terrorist...oh thats right your country didn't... never mind not worth debating... Enjoy your hard won freedom Mr. Frenchman. People died so you could bash the USA. Most of them US Service members on French soil. I can't even talk about it it pisses me off so bad.
on Jun 27, 2004
The French haven't treated muslims well at all. They refuse to allow muslim women to wear their head coverings to work and school, which completely goes against their religious beliefs, and essentially cuts them out of public life. The French government has been patently anti-religion, and abysmally anti-Semitic in the last few years. No suprise that they will be soft on terrorism when they seem to dislike Jews so much.

Not saying all French folks are that way, but then the twit above can't really say "muslims are very friendly, ISLAM is a peaceful religion" either. One blanket statement deserves another.
on Jun 27, 2004
"peace religion" is a oxymoron. whichever one it is.
on Jun 27, 2004
Islam was a more peaceful, advanced, civilized religion than Christianity up until about 1800. When Christian nations finally embraced seperation of Church and State, Christianity became much more peaceful. Muslim nations, for a variety of historical and religious reasons, have trouble with church-state seperation.
on Jun 27, 2004
" Islam was a more peaceful, advanced, civilized religion than Christianity up until about 1800. "


That is like saying that the Spanish Inquisition was peaceful. Their nations were fairly peaceful because of the draconian and barbaric ways they kept the peace. I suggest you dig a little deeper into Arab/Islamic history.

Christianity, on the other hand, has been actively reformed over the last 500 years, and within the Catholic church in a slower fashion since the beginning. There is no violence required by Christianity. As I said before, Islam requires violence. Go look at Islamic law, go read it. It is a religious barely effected by 1400 years of social evolution.

on Jun 27, 2004
Islam is not the religion of peace it claims to be. It instead appears - through the actions of its followers - to be a religion of intolerance and violence toward non-believers.


Do you think it is the religion or the people who profess to follow it?

They either need to update, or find a way to make their beliefs jive with modern international law.


Thank God for evolution!
on Jun 27, 2004
"Do you think it is the religion or the people who profess to follow it?"


Actually, "Islamic Law" is pretty well set down in stone. I'd have to say in that case that it is the religion leading the people who following it literalistically.
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